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the cop mistaking ketchup for blood,
immediately drawing the weapon,
a rookie cop being on patrol alone
and honestly? the father continuing going toward him is another aspect that did not help with making the scene realistic.
It wasn't ketchup, it was fake blood; probably red food dye and corn starch. Pretty easy mistake to make, especially if you're, say, a rookie cop who isn't all that familiar with blood yet.
Immediately drawing your weapon like that isn't uncommon for police, especially if they feel like there is imminent danger. See above.
Rookie cops being on patrol alone isn't uncommon, especially in what are thought to be safe neighbourhoods like middle-class Seattle suburbs. If this was a crime-ridden bit of urban blight, sure, it'd feel odd, but even then, it'd be understandable, given how budgets are allocated in some cities.
And if you're a father and someone is pointing a gun at your children, wanting to do all you can to get them to calm down and stop pointing a gun at your children is a pretty reasonable thing to do, even if it means it being pointed at you. That Esteban was able to stay so cool and calm and collected is absolute testament to him as a person.
Have you never been in a tense or dangerous situation in your life? Have you never had to deal with frightened and panicking children while you had to remain calm and collected and keep a situation from spiraling out of control? Nothing about that scene felt unreasonable to me. The only odd thing is that at no point thereafter did the authorities question what happened. Then again, a dead police officer, a dead father of two, maybe they just wanted quick closure. Wouldn't be the first time a police department stitched someone up.
Nonsense. Do you get frightened when a 4 year old shouts at you? I don't. I have worked with aggressive & violent individuals for a living. There is a world of difference.
On Halloween? With masks and costumes?
A cop who draws a gun on an unarmed, compliant, non-aggressive person is badly trained or stupid. Either way, they shouldn't be in the job. That should have been picked up a LONG time before they were given a gun.
This wasn't even a remotely dangerous situation. A cop who thought this was dangerous has no business being on patrol.
If a cop pointed a gun at my children, I would take it off him and bury it up his arse. A UK cop would expect this - drawing a gun on a child would CREATE a violent situation. Pointing a gun at an unarmed child = losing badge and probably going to jail for a cop over here. And rightly so. It would NOT de-escalate.
Is this the part where we once again go into pandering to their target audience? ;)
You believe this scenario is realistic enough, I had laugh at how bad it was and judging from the OP I wasn´t the only one.
To each their own, I guess.
It's not about "frightened", it's about panic. "Fright" implies a desire to run away, whereas panic is an inability to process thought rationally. A police officer who encounters what they think is a potential murder and who has never encountered death before may not be frightened but they can definitely panic.
When you are in panic mode, distractions that prevent you from rationally processing and focusing on the information in front of you - like, say, multiple people shouting at you at once, followed by you being approached by a stranger who has their hands out towards you - are going to keep you from thinking rationally.
Police in the US don't get training on deescalation, they get training on asserting authority. That is, when faced with a potential conflict, their training is to assert control and, if they feel threatened, to respond with force until they feel the situation is under control. The point at which a police officer feels their authority is in need of assertion varies from officer to officer - decent ones will do so only when seriously provoked, bad ones do it immediately, and good ones try to avoid needing to do so at all - but, as a rule, the more panicked they are, the more likely they are to assert themselves.
What, you think people don't get injured on Halloween? Or that the kid on the ground was clearly non-responsive wasn't a thing the cop observed?
See, you say that, but remember earlier how horrified you were at police violence because you were unfamiliar with it from living in the UK?
Police in the US are extremely aggressive. Videos of fairly extreme police brutality and violence are just a search away on Youtube. What you think is unacceptable and should be cleared by the system... I mean, I agree, it *should*, but the reality is that it isn't.
For a lot of people, this is reality. This is normal. Wanting it to be otherwise doesn't make it so.
... Yeeeeah, I'm going to advise you not to visit the US any time soon. Trying to take a police officer's gun from them is a fast trip to the morgue. I love your desire to want the world to be just and fair, mate, but it just... Isn't.
I cited just earlier of an incident where an unarmed, non-threatening autistic man was surrounded by a SWAT team. When the man's support worker lay on the ground next to him, holding his empty hands up in the air, and the police had confirmation that the autistic man was not armed... The police shot the support worker three times.
Why, when I present to you a real world example of the police shooting an unarmed man trying to defuse a tense stand-off, one in which there was not only no threat of violence but in which the police knew there was no threat of violence, do you continue to argue that my support of the scene's realism is down to bias? Why, if I can show you a real world example where something even more blatantly unjustifiable happened, do you continue to insist against all evidence that it *must* be because of bias?
The fact that the very mention of the police having engaged in past misdeeds is enough to make you defensive - to cause you to reflexively assume the only possible reason for my statements could be bias - should tell you something.
Because it is exactly that - misdeeds -, most of the examples you share seem to come of more like killing people on purpose because they can - as ♥♥♥♥♥♥ and despicable this is.
But that is not what that first scene is about, the first scene in LiS2 is a fantastic chain of events.
- Daniel gets thrown out
- plays around with his costume
- randomly goes over to the openly racist neighbour
- still gets close enough to complete ruin their shirt (the story lost me there already, this is so unbelievable)
- a useless fight ensures
- neighbour, of course, hurts himself badly during a fall
- random, rookie cop is around and decides to break up a fight between kids.
- misinterprets the situation
- kids refuse to stay silent
- father approaches a gun wielding person despite being told to stop
- rookie cop shoots father.
Their father being the victim of a hate crime would have been more realistic, why not escalate the fight with the neigbour to the parents or something?
This is a badly constructed chain of events topped off by the shooting, it was a cheap way to get the story started somehow. And from this, and Daniel completely forgetting these events and not really questiong suddenly being on the road with Sean, the story never recovered.
If you do not live in the US, then these events seem so implausible as to break the medium.
If you do live in the US, then the events are easy to swallow.
That is the reason I have changed my view on this first scene. It is demonstrating this awful divide and doing what art should do: making us think.
I'd go to the morgue to protect my kids from a violent psychopath. Any parent would. That is why a cop shouldn't point a gun at a kid to manage a violent situation. That is why it would create more violence.
After enduring 3 episodes of this game I could tell it was just pure hard-left political garbage and dropped it. Cops are bad and racist, white people are bad and racist, country people bad and racist, minorities only good, I get it....
This is coming from a HUGE fan of the first game.
Ah yeah so people aren't allowed to dislike this game?