Life is Strange 2

Life is Strange 2

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Orionis 2019 年 2 月 8 日 上午 7:09
[SPOILERS] Choices, Realism and Immersion
I still don't know if I like this second season so far (I also don't hate it), but with the new episode I've gained a few insights I'd like to share.

I'll start with the choices and game mechanics first.
As far as I can tell there are several hidden "stats" concerning Daniel. It's blatantly obvious that this season's MO is parenting 101. And the influence you have is seperated into:
* Trust - the relationship you have with Daniel
* Emotional control and manners - how you (Sean) interact with others directly affects Daniel. e.g. Is he polite or does he swear and steal, does he tidy up or behave like a spoiled brat, does he speak up aggressively or softly?
And lastly ...
* Confidence (in himself and his powers)

These three seem to work independently, as you can have a trusting but repressed Daniel, who still is a bit of a brat.

Most of these mechanics became clear(er) just this episode, but the way they are implemented is partly infuriating and partly unrealistic.
For example, I went and stole the camping gear from Hank, not to get revenge for being kicked in the face, but seriously thinking ahead for the future and Daniel's well-being in the looming winter.
A small voice in the back of my head told me that it probably won't matter as the game is very unlikely to let Daniel die in the snow, but still, my protectiveness and "sense of survival" urged me to prepare for the worst. And who knows, maybe just this once doing the "bad thing" is actually the right thing? Because you know, this is not a petty theft (like stealing a Chock-o-Crips would be) but a desperate act born out of need ...
But no ... of course. No tent or sweater required, because plot magic (BOOOM!) abandoned house and convenient thriftstore ... (sigh)
Instead, now Daniel steals and yells, because he saw me steal ONCE ... I should have known :steamsad: :steamfacepalm:

This ties perfectly into the realism aspect or rather - flaw.
There is no room here to explain to Daniel WHY you stole something life supporting. No, the game says stealing is stealing, so Daniel will steal too.
But then in between episode 1 and 2 Sean does steal (food, clothes, etc.), but this time it doesn't count although Daniel must know that they don't have enough money for all that (or it wouldn't be non-stop Ravioli) ... It's infuriating !!!

And DON'T GET ME STARTED on the clothes. Wether you get Daniel a sweater or not, he catches a cold.
(indistinct swearing, very colorful) ARE YOU SURPRISED !?
They both run around with open necks in F*****G WINTER ... Even if they didn't find scarfs in the thriftstore, AT LEAST close up those coats as much as possible. Wrap towels or any kind of cloth around your head while hiking through the snow. But noooooo ...
The way this was designed they would have frostbites and a fever so high they wouldn't need an oven to warm the room ...
Seriously! What a load of ... crackers

I honestly question whether the designers have ever even seen snow up close, never mind spent a day in minus degrees outside.

(cooling down heated emotions in progress)

Yeah, the immersion is kinda out of the window for that episode, but at least next time will be in sunny and probably warm California.

I'm also still waiting for some more action and power testing/exploration ... at least I don't have to be nervous anymore about Mushroom getting hurt ... hehe :steamsalty: (discretely wipes away a tear)

But what do YOU think? Are you satisfied with the choices and consequences?
Do you still feel immersed after this episode and the hiatus before?
最后由 Orionis 编辑于; 2019 年 2 月 8 日 下午 9:16
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jz78817 2019 年 2 月 8 日 上午 7:19 
And DON'T GET ME STARTED on the clothes. Wether you get Daniel a sweater or not, he catches a cold.

eh? "colds" aren't caused by temperature.

Prinegon 2019 年 2 月 8 日 上午 7:33 
引用自 jz78817
And DON'T GET ME STARTED on the clothes. Wether you get Daniel a sweater or not, he catches a cold.

eh? "colds" aren't caused by temperature.

True and untrue the same time.
Since a cold is a viral infection, temperature is not the sole reason. But temperature has an effect on yout immune system and your ability to fight back virusses, so it still makes sense to keep your body warm.
Sparkless20 2019 年 2 月 8 日 下午 4:02 
Maybe they need the tent in a later episode. Remeber the choice were Max has the chance of either make fun of Victoria or comfort her in the first episode. You actually can save her a** or not based on this choice wich came back to you at episode 5. (Including the choice to warn her at episode 4 of course) Also Daniel is wearing the Rackoon Jacket when you bought or stole it at the gas station. I for example bought the sleeping back wich didn't came in use yet but maybe it will someday.

The reson for Sean not to tell Daniel he stole is because he doesn't know how to justify it. I am ten years older than Sean is in the game and I can't even think of something right away wich Daniel might understand. Sean is not a typical RPG character whoes character you created 100% by yourself. He is his still his own person and the game just gives you the opportunety to show him the way you want him to go. He will follow your direction but how he goes there is totaly up to him. This has always been the case. Max was still her own person and Chloe, too. So Sean can make decitions on his own soemtimes. If they are good is debatable and i also criged here and there at some choices. (Oh, we are wanted? YOLO! Let's go to the christmasmarked.)

For the power. It was never inteded to be the focus of the series. NEVER! The powers just were a gimmik to make and solve problems. And btw. BTS had no powers at all... and it was great, too. And now the brothers dynamic is even more intense because it's not yourself you are messing with but a vournable person you care about.
最后由 Sparkless20 编辑于; 2019 年 2 月 8 日 下午 4:03
Ганта 2019 年 2 月 8 日 下午 7:50 
The choice to steal equipment and a sweater does not give a 100% guarantee that Daniel will become aggressive, will swear in the second episode, paint a photo in an abandoned house and so on. Checked personally. With the stolen tent and sweater, he was calm and non-aggressive, the photo was not painted.

And yes, I apologize for my English. This is a google translate.
Orionis 2019 年 2 月 8 日 下午 9:10 
引用自 Ганта
The choice to steal equipment and a sweater does not give a 100% guarantee that Daniel will become aggressive, will swear in the second episode, paint a photo in an abandoned house and so on. Checked personally. With the stolen tent and sweater, he was calm and non-aggressive, the photo was not painted.

And yes, I apologize for my English. This is a google translate.

I don't know about any pictures in the abandoned house (what do you mean?), but I'm quite certain that stealing the camping gear does affect Daniel's emotional control, since you also have to hit Hank in order to steal the gear.

Apart from this one act of bad behaviour I did my very best to behave like the perfect role-model, but still in the scene where you argue with Claire in Karen's room Daniel said quite forcefully "I have the RIGHT to see my mom's room."
There is however another more tame version where he says "Uh... I just wanted to see my Mom's stuff!"

I only know this because I checked the script on the wiki page.
https://life-is-strange.fandom.com/wiki/Episode_2:_Rules_-_Script#(unknown)

There is a chance that this is (also) influenced or enforced by the choice in episode 1 to either question Daniel or confront Brett. I did the latter, wanting to protect Daniel.
Prinegon 2019 年 2 月 9 日 上午 2:43 
引用自 FloBelle
I don't know about any pictures in the abandoned house (what do you mean?)

I am quite sure, that was just a figure of speech lost in translation. What he meant was: It is not set in gold, that Daniel misbehaves, just because you stole the tent.

And thogh it is right, you have to give Daniel more than one "bad example" for him to be disrespectful, it still makes it more likely.
Ганта 2019 年 2 月 9 日 上午 4:30 
引用自 FloBelle
I don't know about any pictures in the abandoned house (what do you mean?), but I'm quite certain that stealing the camping gear does affect Daniel's emotional control, since you also have to hit Hank in order to steal the gear.

I mean the photograph of the family living in this house earlier, it is on the fridge. Depending on the behavior of Daniel, he can paint it, and can not touch it.


引用自 FloBelle
Apart from this one act of bad behaviour I did my very best to behave like the perfect role-model, but still in the scene where you argue with Claire in Karen's room Daniel said quite forcefully "I have the RIGHT to see my mom's room."
There is however another more tame version where he says "Uh... I just wanted to see my Mom's stuff!"

I only know this because I checked the script on the wiki page.
https://life-is-strange.fandom.com/wiki/Episode_2:_Rules_-_Script#(unknown)

Unfortunately, I now can not verify what Daniel says specifically in this dialogue, because my preservation simply disappeared, but judging by other dialogues, he is still calm. For example, a dialogue near the hole with rabbits. Daniel can ask about those who lived in this house before them, and regardless of the answer, he will say something like "I like it here, it's much better here than at the shelter" or "This is OUR lair now". In my passage with the stolen tent, he chose the first option.

引用自 FloBelle
There is a chance that this is (also) influenced or enforced by the choice in episode 1 to either question Daniel or confront Brett. I did the latter, wanting to protect Daniel.

I also thought that this choice has an impact on the behavior of brother, so for the sake of the experiment I chose to “chastise Daniel” and did not protect him. Most likely it was this decision that affected the fact that in the second episode he remained calm after the stolen tents. Even Claire, if you ask her about her neighbors, said that Daniel could have a good influence on Chris and praised me for a "good example." Although I first thought that she praises only in the event that you do not attack Hank in episode 1.

Oh, too many letters. I hope everything is written more or less clear, because it is still a translate.
Orionis 2019 年 2 月 10 日 下午 8:32 
Another thing I forgot to mention, which makes no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sense, is Daniel continuing to lie to Chris - at least in my timeline.

As I've said, in my playthrough the only two "bad" things I did was to confront Brett and steal the camping gear. Apart from that I was always the most supportive, kind and honest that I could possibly be ... and yet, even though I told Daniel to be honest with Chris, he kept lying.
He ended up saving him because despite all the rules I thought it was important to make Daniel believe in himself, but still ...

Did any of you choose the same options, but Daniel told the truth or is it really locked to those two decisions?
Chillaxing 2019 年 2 月 10 日 下午 9:37 
引用自 FloBelle
Another thing I forgot to mention, which makes no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sense, is Daniel continuing to lie to Chris - at least in my timeline.

As I've said, in my playthrough the only two "bad" things I did was to confront Brett and steal the camping gear. Apart from that I was always the most supportive, kind and honest that I could possibly be ... and yet, even though I told Daniel to be honest with Chris, he kept lying.
He ended up saving him because despite all the rules I thought it was important to make Daniel believe in himself, but still ...

Did any of you choose the same options, but Daniel told the truth or is it really locked to those two decisions?

The first time around I also wasn't a d*** to my litle bro and encouraged his powers whenever I could, with a couple exceptions, and yes, he still lied to Chris. Then my save file done goofed, I started over, kept episode 1 the same, but this time, having done a bit of research, I was more strict with Daniel and told him no more often, like at Claire's when he stacked plates or at Chris' (these options actually have the small wolf icon appear). And ding ding ding, the Spirit Squad ending was mine!

I believe that since the theme of ep 2 revolves around, well, rules, Daniel, apart from your trust, is also affected by how lenient we are to these rules. There's no need to be superbly strict with him (I still got my "encouraged Daniel" check), but do let him show that you're serious about this, like telling him not to swear. And I'm still not sure if it actually has any effect, but just in case, throw the snowball properly.

Pro tip: if you ask Claire about the neighbors and she mentions at the end that Daniel has a good role model, you're on the right track.
Riddler 2019 年 2 月 11 日 上午 5:24 
引用自 Prinegon
引用自 FloBelle
I don't know about any pictures in the abandoned house (what do you mean?)

I am quite sure, that was just a figure of speech lost in translation. What he meant was: It is not set in gold, that Daniel misbehaves, just because you stole the tent.

And thogh it is right, you have to give Daniel more than one "bad example" for him to be disrespectful, it still makes it more likely.

No, he meant indeed the family photo of the cabin owner. If you have the "bad" Daniel, he's defacing the photo in a slightly disturbing way^^

I think there is some kind of points system which includes every interaction with Daniel in the first episode, so it's possible that you can steal some things and Daniel doesn't behave bad in episode 2, if you on the other hand don't prank him, don't tell him bad stories about bears, show him how to skip stones, play with him, let him win the wood race etc.
Orionis 2019 年 2 月 11 日 下午 10:09 
引用自 nekonyashka
The first time around I also wasn't a d*** to my litle bro and encouraged his powers whenever I could, with a couple exceptions, and yes, he still lied to Chris. Then my save file done goofed, I started over, kept episode 1 the same, but this time, having done a bit of research, I was more strict with Daniel and told him no more often, like at Claire's when he stacked plates or at Chris' (these options actually have the small wolf icon appear). And ding ding ding, the Spirit Squad ending was mine!

I believe that since the theme of ep 2 revolves around, well, rules, Daniel, apart from your trust, is also affected by how lenient we are to these rules. There's no need to be superbly strict with him (I still got my "encouraged Daniel" check), but do let him show that you're serious about this, like telling him not to swear. And I'm still not sure if it actually has any effect, but just in case, throw the snowball properly.

Pro tip: if you ask Claire about the neighbors and she mentions at the end that Daniel has a good role model, you're on the right track.
"Then my save file done goofed" Ahahahahaha xD
Very interesting. Thanks for your answer.

In your second playthrough, did you confront Brett and steal the gear or not?
And did Daniel help you with cleaning your room in Claire's house or not?
Orionis 2019 年 2 月 11 日 下午 10:11 
引用自 Riddler
No, he meant indeed the family photo of the cabin owner. If you have the "bad" Daniel, he's defacing the photo in a slightly disturbing way^^

I think there is some kind of points system which includes every interaction with Daniel in the first episode, so it's possible that you can steal some things and Daniel doesn't behave bad in episode 2, if you on the other hand don't prank him, don't tell him bad stories about bears, show him how to skip stones, play with him, let him win the wood race etc.
Yup, I agree. And I think those points go to the individual stats I mentioned above.
Chillaxing 2019 年 2 月 12 日 上午 5:13 
引用自 FloBelle
"Then my save file done goofed" Ahahahahaha xD
Very interesting. Thanks for your answer.

In your second playthrough, did you confront Brett and steal the gear or not?
And did Daniel help you with cleaning your room in Claire's house or not?

In both my playthroughs I confronted Brett (no prick dare diss on my little bro) and ran from the station as soon as I got the prompt (as I would likely also do in real life, f*** that old fart).

Not the first time, but the second, yes he helped me =)
Orionis 2019 年 2 月 12 日 上午 6:09 
引用自 nekonyashka
引用自 FloBelle
"Then my save file done goofed" Ahahahahaha xD
Very interesting. Thanks for your answer.

In your second playthrough, did you confront Brett and steal the gear or not?
And did Daniel help you with cleaning your room in Claire's house or not?

In both my playthroughs I confronted Brett (no prick dare diss on my little bro) and ran from the station as soon as I got the prompt (as I would likely also do in real life, f*** that old fart).

Not the first time, but the second, yes he helped me =)
Interesting.
Did you scold Daniel for playing with the plates at breakfast or not?
And did you snow douse the pretentious townie or leave him be?
Chillaxing 2019 年 2 月 12 日 上午 6:22 
引用自 FloBelle
Did you scold Daniel for playing with the plates at breakfast or not?
And did you snow douse the pretentious townie or leave him be?

Yes, I scolded him, and it showed the little wolf icon too, so I guess it affects Daniel. Same thing at Chris' house btw.
And nah, that townie was beneath my desire to waste the power on an unsuperhero-y prank (yet I still took his leaflet for lolz). Also, it has no logo-showing effect on either brother, I guess, so yeah.
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