[SPOILERS] My thoughts about Jacob and episode 4. Where are we going?

[Riddler]

I think I might have discovered an interesting connection here that I didn't notice while playing and that already reveals where we're going to be in Episode 4. Maybe others have already noticed it, but I've just overlooked it. In the teaser for Episode 4 you can see these big billboards. I didn't really notice them, but it's casino advertising. For example, you can see dice.

And here Jacob comes into play. He told us that he comes from a small religious community in Haven Point, Nevada. If you search Google Maps for it, it won't find a place with that name, but a Haven Point Avenue in the north of Las Vegas. So I think that the teaser already indicates that we will go exactly there.

And now comes the exciting part. There has been the theory for quite some time (among others from me) that we will meet Karen in episode 4 and that she could live in a religious community. Because the whole religious topic was overpresent in the game and we know that it also played a role in Diaz's house. Also, many of the Achievements to Episode 4 have religious titles.

I'm just speculating a bit now, but Jacob told us about an amazing female Reverend. And I kind of have the feeling that this woman could be Karen. Jacob also told us that he had lost his faith, which is why he left his community. And that he would not return until he received a sign from God.

I think he has now received this sign in the form of Daniel. He already said something about it, that perhaps it was their destiny to help Daniel. What if Daniel somehow meets Jacob after the incident in Merril's cabin and he takes him with him to Nevada, to his community?

I was wondering anyway how Daniel or Sean would manage to find Karen. They don't have their address or any other clues. Jacob could be the missing link that Sean and Daniel unintentionally bring together with Karen.

What do you think? I find that somehow quite plausible^^ Any other theories?

[ActualBax]

This actually makes sense

[jz78817]

Yeah it’s plausible. And maybe it’s the “Universal Uprising Church” we hear about in Captain Spirit when Chris answers the ringing phone.

[stickmaster]

Exactly how i think it is going to go. Pretty spot on!

When i heard Jacobs story at the campfire, i knew he would play a more important part in EP4.

[Riddler]

Originally posted by ;1649918058733820711:

Yeah it’s plausible. And maybe it’s the “Universal Uprising Church” we hear about in Captain Spirit when Chris answers the ringing phone.

Possible. And maybe we will meet Derek too, who made the call^^
However, the fact that Karen's church is apparently near Las Vegas, Nevada speaks against it. Beaver Creek, Oregon is roughly 1000 km away. Why would they call any people there?

[garbaron]

I like the theory and think it might be true. Only thing contradicting this theory --- Claire Reynolds. She is such a religious person – why would she have a fallout with her daughter to the extend she wants to not even talk about her – if said daughter was a reverend in a church and leader of christian community? It would have to be a weird cult for Claire to feel that betrayed that she denounces her own daughter.

[Sparkless20]

It was intended Jacob learns about Daniels powers. He could easily not be in the scene were they are about to get payed and it all would have played out the same. He was supposed to learn about Daniel and since he is from Nevada it is quite possible. Also the religous hints all over from the Jesus picture in the Diaz basement over the phone Call in CS and the religous posters at the gas station and Claire with her belief. It is very much hinted in every episode more or less.

Jacob was also a side character like Cassie was in episode 2. I bet the story want to spare the interesting parts of Jacob for episode 4.

An interesting theory wich makes sense. It even can be taken further because the case about the death of Emily Ericson (Chris' mother) is still not solved. I bet it was Karen and she has the same power as Daniel. Maybe Karen tried to get in touch with her pearents after 6 years absence. (She left Sean and the rest in 2008because she thought it was too dangerous but came back to her parents house after 6 years in 2014, the year were Emily died) But she lost it for some reason. She didn't make it to her parents and after she saw that she killed Emily she ran again. To Nevada were she seached for piece and quiet.

Karen reminds me somehow of Nathan from S1. Pictured like the bad person who ruined everything. But in the end they just were part of somehting bigger. This time it is not a mad photographer who takes studens hostage and taking pictures of them. This time the power itself is the big antragonist. Think about it. The only time the power saved someone was when Daniel saved Chris and that was it. Yes it was the same with Max kind of but the trail of death is there no matter what you do. The power saves but also kills people.

[Riddler]

Originally posted by garbaron:

I like the theory and think it might be true. Only thing contradicting this theory --- Claire Reynolds. She is such a religious person – why would she have a fallout with her daughter to the extend she wants to not even talk about her – if said daughter was a reverend in a church and leader of christian community? It would have to be a weird cult for Claire to feel that betrayed that she denounces her own daughter.

Claire is more of a traditional Christian. If Karen has joined any sect, that might explain her dislike. But I don't think that's the only reason her whole family hates her.

There must be more to it than that. She has done something worse than joining a sect. Maybe it's just a result of that.
The only one who showed some understanding was Stephen. He said that he couldn't approve of what she had done, but that he would understand. So there must be more behind it.

I'm not convinced that this female Reverend is Karen either. But the fact that Jacob explicitly mentioned that this Reverend is female gives this detail some meaning and relevance, in my opinion. So I think it's quite conceivable that they deliberately included this detail.

[BINARYGOD]

Well if joining a weird christian sect means you need to cut ties with your children (and maybe even ALL of your loved ones), I don't think your parents are going to be too happy about, but especially if your a more normal christian type.

At any rate - Grandpa says he, after Sean sees the picture in his workshop-like room, that he thinks he understand why she did what she did. That sort of throws things up in the air a little.

If grandpa going to like any reason for totally cutting off your kids? (it's not like anyone legally could stop her, courts ALWAYS side with Mom, especially when one kid is REALLY young at the time - she either chose to be out of their life or gave up REALLY easy)

Makes you wonder...

[jz78817]

Originally posted by Sparkless20:

An interesting theory wich makes sense. It even can be taken further because the case about the death of Emily Ericson (Chris' mother) is still not solved. I bet it was Karen and she has the same power as Daniel. Maybe Karen tried to get in touch with her pearents after 6 years absence. (She left Sean and the rest in 2008because she thought it was too dangerous but came back to her parents house after 6 years in 2014, the year were Emily died) But she lost it for some reason. She didn't make it to her parents and after she saw that she killed Emily she ran again. To Nevada were she seached for piece and quiet.

interesting theory. there's the added wrinkle in Emily's death where it sounds like the police were covering it (or parts of it) up. I'd kind of like to see Emily dealt with via a separate effort (like a BtS side game) centered around Chris and Charles. but if it's addressed here that could work too.

[bob]

Originally posted by Riddler:

[...] we will meet Karen in episode 4 and that she could live in a religious community. Because the whole religious topic was overpresent in the game. [...] many of the Achievements to Episode 4 have religious titles.

I'm just speculating a bit now, but Jacob told us about an amazing female Reverend. And I kind of have the feeling that this woman could be Karen. Jacob also told us that he had lost his faith, which is why he left his community. And that he would not return until he received a sign from God.

What do you think? I find that somehow quite plausible^^ Any other theories?

Yeah, I must say this theory sounds intriguing.

I'm not 100% sure about Karen being that reverend (but then again, Jacob stresses that this reverend is a woman) but I'm 100% sure she herself has some fancy powers of her own. The Roman-Catholic Church is most prevalent in Mexiko (they reject female ordination) while Protestant is most widespread in Washington. Maybe religion is a separating line in their family?

We don't even know whether Esteban knew of said powers or what caused they Diaz and Reynolds become estranged.

Edit: There is an achievement called "She Wolf" depicting it feeding 2 kids (like Romulus and Remus) - that cannot be coincidental. Maye Sean finds some kind of power too?[\spoiler]

[jz78817]

or-- remember that letter from Karen's childhood friend they found in her room? it was from "Emma," which can be short for "Emily." kind of out there though, since if that was the case Charles probably would have been on better terms with the Reynolds.

[Sparkless20]

Originally posted by jz78817:

or-- remember that letter from Karen's childhood friend they found in her room? it was from "Emma," which can be short for "Emily." kind of out there though, since if that was the case Charles probably would have been on better terms with the Reynolds.

Maybe Emily told about how the Raynolds acted out over rules and that is why Charles thinks bad about them. Karen told Emily and Emily told her husband.

[Riddler]

Originally posted by Sparkless20:

An interesting theory wich makes sense. It even can be taken further because the case about the death of Emily Ericson (Chris' mother) is still not solved. I bet it was Karen and she has the same power as Daniel. Maybe Karen tried to get in touch with her pearents after 6 years absence. (She left Sean and the rest in 2008because she thought it was too dangerous but came back to her parents house after 6 years in 2014, the year were Emily died) But she lost it for some reason. She didn't make it to her parents and after she saw that she killed Emily she ran again. To Nevada were she seached for piece and quiet.

I really hope that Emily's death will still play a role and that in the end everything is somehow connected. This whole story, with the surveillance tapes being held back by someone. It was all too suspicious to be unimportant. And it was always said that you could find some clues to the plot of LiS 2 in the Captain Spirit episode.

But I somehow don't believe that Karen also has a power like Daniel. I don't know why, but that doesn't sound like a good idea for this story to me. We'll see.

[Battlekruse]

I took a look on the Steam achievements for Episode 4 and how they are named:

Archivist
Heaven & Hell
All Sinners
Promised Land
Amazing Grace
Lone Wolf
A New Perspective

There could maybe a religious theme and connection when you look on these Steam achievements for Episode 4.

[Riddler]

Originally posted by Battlekruse:

I took a look on the Steam achievements for Episode 4 and how they are named:

Archivist
Heaven & Hell
All Sinners
Promised Land
Amazing Grace
Lone Wolf
A New Perspective

There could maybe a religious theme and connection when you look on these Steam achievements for Episode 4.

Yes, i already mentioned it in my initial post and this was discussed before. That's one of the main things why people think Karen could live in a religious community and that we will meet her in episode 4.