To the devs: Question about Tech Priest campaign wall

[aceb20]

Is there any plans to let the tech-priest play the Martyr campaign with all the other classes? This odd design choice has made me steer away from the tech-priest since I only play coop.

My friends would be forced to play the main campaign without me as I power level my tech-priest to stay in-level with them (we have level sync as a group so no one becomes OP). Naturally, this is quite a lot of time of us not playing together, something we don't want to do. Due to this, I can't really enjoy the tech-priest nor the tech-priest campaign since we'll never get there.

Any thoughts on just allowing tech-priests to just join those missions?

[proba 1 2 3]

No, from story-wise it would not make sense. At the time Prophecy was developed we decided to give it a separate entry into the story so the class got its own introductory chapter.
If we remove the limitation than this chapter should be removed as well.

Moreover, Prophecy is not just an expansion but a stand-alone game too. So everything would crumble as Prophecy-only owners would not have the first chapter.

[aceb20]

Originally posted by proba 1 2 3:

No, from story-wise it would not make sense. At the time Prophecy was developed we decided to give it a separate entry into the story so the class got its own introductory chapter.
If we remove the limitation than this chapter should be removed as well.

Moreover, Prophecy is not just an expansion but a stand-alone game too. So everything would crumble as Prophecy-only owners would not have the first chapter.

I hear that it has it's own introduction and its own story. I understand that 100%.

But would it just be possible, not for the sake of story consistency but just allowing people to play together, to allow tech-priest to simply join and play with other classes through the Martyr campaign? Not even saving campaign progress through the tech priest but simply allow play and rewards such as items and EXP.

By doing this, I don't understand why any tech-priest chapters would be removed. Do the Martyr campaign missions give special rewards and items to the player that will conflict with the Prophecy rewards? Or is it an issue with cutscenes and hearing the character talk and interact with the NPCs. If this is the case, is it possible to blacklist the tech-priest and just watch any valid classes (since it would take a valid class for the tech-priest to join these missions anyways)?

Sorry for the million questions. I really want to play tech-priest, but it really isn't practical for a pure coop player. :(

[Stuntiz]

If they implement the "Skip Campaign" option, I don't see why this shouldn't be possible.

Thanks
Humiz

[aceb20]

Originally posted by Stuntiz:

If they implement the "Skip Campaign" option, I don't see why this shouldn't be possible.

Thanks
Humiz

That's one way to do it, but I actually enjoy the campaign.
I don't understand why the tech-priest cannot simply join the campaign mission like any other mission, ignoring story coherency.

[nobalkain]

Originally posted by aceb20:

Originally posted by Stuntiz:

If they implement the "Skip Campaign" option, I don't see why this shouldn't be possible.

Thanks
Humiz

That's one way to do it, but I actually enjoy the campaign.
I don't understand why the tech-priest cannot simply join the campaign mission like any other mission, ignoring story coherency.

Issue I see with this is the lack of Dialog for it. Even if you remove the Dialog and just have Text they would still have to change parts of it. They would also need to Balance and Bug check everything to make sure it works right. It might not seem like it, but this would require a lot of Man Hours, and thus Cost, just to do this. Its just not Financially Smart of them to do this.

[aceb20]

Originally posted by nobalkain:

Originally posted by aceb20:

That's one way to do it, but I actually enjoy the campaign.
I don't understand why the tech-priest cannot simply join the campaign mission like any other mission, ignoring story coherency.

Issue I see with this is the lack of Dialog for it. Even if you remove the Dialog and just have Text they would still have to change parts of it. They would also need to Balance and Bug check everything to make sure it works right. It might not seem like it, but this would require a lot of Man Hours, and thus Cost, just to do this. Its just not Financially Smart of them to do this.

"If this is the case, is it possible to blacklist the tech-priest and just watch any valid classes (since it would take a valid class for the tech-priest to join these missions anyways)?"
^^^^^
I said this earlier. Additionally, a lot of the content that exists in the campaigns exists in other missions. No real new mechanics are added, iirc. Shouldn't be huge balance issues if everything properly scales to level like generic missions.

[nobalkain]

Originally posted by aceb20:

Originally posted by nobalkain:

Issue I see with this is the lack of Dialog for it. Even if you remove the Dialog and just have Text they would still have to change parts of it. They would also need to Balance and Bug check everything to make sure it works right. It might not seem like it, but this would require a lot of Man Hours, and thus Cost, just to do this. Its just not Financially Smart of them to do this.

"If this is the case, is it possible to blacklist the tech-priest and just watch any valid classes (since it would take a valid class for the tech-priest to join these missions anyways)?"
^^^^^
I said this earlier. Additionally, a lot of the content that exists in the campaigns exists in other missions. No real new mechanics are added, iirc. Shouldn't be huge balance issues if everything properly scales to level like generic missions.

As I said they would still need to test it in order to make sure it works. Changing any Code can cause lots of unknown errors and bugs that would need to be pinned down. I used to be a Beta Tester when I was younger and I can tell you none of this is as easy as you think it is.

I would rather they keep their time a budget tight so the game can stay running for as long as possible. Spending time and money on something like this could lead to it closing down sooner since they would have no real way to make that money back. Now if they were swimming in cash and do so that would be great, but odds are that is not the case.

[Schalimah]

Becaus Prophecy is a stand-alone expansion.
If someone who only owns Prophecy could join somone else for the Martyr campaign they would see content they did not pay for ;p

[aceb20]

Originally posted by nobalkain:

Originally posted by aceb20:

"If this is the case, is it possible to blacklist the tech-priest and just watch any valid classes (since it would take a valid class for the tech-priest to join these missions anyways)?"
^^^^^
I said this earlier. Additionally, a lot of the content that exists in the campaigns exists in other missions. No real new mechanics are added, iirc. Shouldn't be huge balance issues if everything properly scales to level like generic missions.

As I said they would still need to test it in order to make sure it works. Changing any Code can cause lots of unknown errors and bugs that would need to be pinned down. I used to be a Beta Tester when I was younger and I can tell you none of this is as easy as you think it is.

I would rather they keep their time a budget tight so the game can stay running for as long as possible. Spending time and money on something like this could lead to it closing down sooner since they would have no real way to make that money back. Now if they were swimming in cash and do so that would be great, but odds are that is not the case.

Bro...I'm a game dev, I truly understand, lol. I'm simply asking these devs if it's planned/possible/out of scope. I don't know their budget, capabilities, or design limitations they are working with, which is why I'm simply asking.

Either way, it seems he doesn't want to talk more anyways, so it's a dead horse. Was worth a shot. :(

[nobalkain]

Originally posted by aceb20:

Originally posted by nobalkain:

As I said they would still need to test it in order to make sure it works. Changing any Code can cause lots of unknown errors and bugs that would need to be pinned down. I used to be a Beta Tester when I was younger and I can tell you none of this is as easy as you think it is.

I would rather they keep their time a budget tight so the game can stay running for as long as possible. Spending time and money on something like this could lead to it closing down sooner since they would have no real way to make that money back. Now if they were swimming in cash and do so that would be great, but odds are that is not the case.

Bro...I'm a game dev, I truly understand, lol. I'm simply asking these devs if it's planned/possible/out of scope. I don't know their budget, capabilities, or design limitations they are working with, which is why I'm simply asking.

Either way, it seems he doesn't want to talk more anyways, so it's a dead horse. Was worth a shot. :(

He gave you an answer, you just didnt like it. If you really are a Dev then you should understand all this and would not keep asking.

[aceb20]

Originally posted by nobalkain:

Originally posted by aceb20:

Bro...I'm a game dev, I truly understand, lol. I'm simply asking these devs if it's planned/possible/out of scope. I don't know their budget, capabilities, or design limitations they are working with, which is why I'm simply asking.

Either way, it seems he doesn't want to talk more anyways, so it's a dead horse. Was worth a shot. :(

He gave you an answer, you just didnt like it. If you really are a Dev then you should understand all this and would not keep asking.

It's called a conversation, man. You really need to get your ego checked out and stop acting so anti-social on internet boards.

Just because you were "a beta tester once" doesn't mean you should act like an ass.

[nobalkain]

Originally posted by aceb20:

Originally posted by nobalkain:

He gave you an answer, you just didnt like it. If you really are a Dev then you should understand all this and would not keep asking.

It's called a conversation, man. You really need to get your ego checked out and stop acting so anti-social on internet boards.

Just because you were "a beta tester once" doesn't mean you should act like an ass.

Yes and I was having a Conversation with you, but clearly since you dont like what I have had to say you decided to attack me instead. I am blunt and dont sugar coat things, deal or just ignore me. I dont have to treat you like a Child, even if you clearly act like one.

Again you got your answer and just did like it. You then said you didnt understand why they could not just do what you wanted, so I then gave you a very valid reason, but you didnt like it. Sorry you dont like hearing that, but I honestly dont care about your feelings and refuse to put on Kids Gloves because your feefees got hurt.

[aceb20]

Originally posted by nobalkain:

Originally posted by aceb20:

It's called a conversation, man. You really need to get your ego checked out and stop acting so anti-social on internet boards.

Just because you were "a beta tester once" doesn't mean you should act like an ass.

Yes and I was having a Conversation with you, but clearly since you dont like what I have had to say you decided to attack me instead. I am blunt and dont sugar coat things, deal or just ignore me. I dont have to treat you like a Child, even if you clearly act like one.

Again you got your answer and just did like it. You then said you didnt understand why they could not just do what you wanted, so I then gave you a very valid reason, but you didnt like it. Sorry you dont like hearing that, but I honestly dont care about your feelings and refuse to put on Kids Gloves because your feefees got hurt.

"If you really are a Dev then you should understand all this and would not keep asking."

You're also wrong. If you were actually in the creative process of game dev you'd know these questions I'm asking are commonly asked internally themselves. I'm just trying to get a peak into the specific reasoning for such design decisions, whether design limited or tech limited. The initial answer was vague and only mentioned story coherency, thus I asked a few more questions as I thought I could have a friendly conversation with the dev, rather than interact with some uninformed assertions treated as fact from some random internet guy.

"He gave you an answer, you just didnt like it."
This isn't how you talk to people. You don't imply someone's intentions forcefully like that like you understand them more than themselves. That's being an ass. And we were having a fine conversation before that.

Seriously, if you're going to hide behind "I'm just blunt and the problem is you" when you make social blunders, you're going to have a harder time working in teams.

I'm done interacting with you since you can't handle yourself respectfully.

[Radekplug]

To play tech adept from tutorial you need launch him form martyr game not phropecy.

[aceb20]

Originally posted by Radekplug:

To play tech adept from tutorial you need launch him form martyr game not phropecy.

I've actually never launched Prophecy, I only launch through Martyr. But I'll double check to be sure.