Officio Assassinorum now Ordo Assassinorum?

[Mikado]

OK so is this thing about playing an Assassin based on some change to the story of the Inquisition?

Like is this set in the Age of the Dark Imperium and through desperate times the Officio is now an Ordo?

I thought Assassins were instruments of the Inquisition not actual Inquisitors themselves per se.

I notice it is heavily promoted on Game Worshop's website so I guess things really have changed from what I knew about the Assassins.

It is also a bit weird how there is no female Crusader or Psyker, they could have made two model Avatars and got us to select either a Ordo Malleus, Hereticus or Xenos background and not have to bring in the Assassin female Death Cultists if it is a gender game thing like so many contemporary games in development are going OTT about now.

I would be intrigued to know why this path was chosen, I have yet to pour over Dev Blogs etc, I am just trying to catch up on Edition 8 of 40K and the new novels having returned from the hobby equivalent of cryostasis.

What a great time to be in the 40K hobby right now too!

Anyway, sensible discussion welcome.

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[Darth Revan]

The game takes place in the newest version of the 40k universe, the empire is split in 2 parts and so on.....

there are many people in the forum which say that there is actual proof for assassins from certain cults becomming inquisitor themselfe, i dont know if they are true or not but i assume so. Our inquisitor was a Death Cult assassin and that seem to be ok if those people are right.

the genderlock is intended, i dont know the reason but i assume it has something to do with the dialogue and armor models.

[Valnak]

The wonderful thing about 40k is that there basically is no canon and at the same time everything is canon.

[Darth Revan]

Originally posted by Valnak:

The wonderful thing about 40k is that there basically is no canon and at the same time everything is canon.

i am not shure if it works in this way when you develope a game in the universe, GW has to approve it first. :)

[Valnak]

Originally posted by Legatus Lucanus:

i am not shure if it works in this way when you develope a game in the universe, GW has to approve it first. :)

Pretty explicitly wrong otherwise GW wouldn't have guidelines on how to create your own marine chapters.

[majorstoner]

The Death Cult Assassins may be considered Imperial Assassins, even though they are not under the Officio Assassinorum, many inquisitors employ them for their skill with the twin power weapons they carry. They are able to strike several deadly blows on a foe very quickly. Whilst still dangerous foes, they in no way compare to 'official' Assassins. basicly not one from one of the temples so not Officio Assassinorum

[Darth Revan]

Originally posted by Valnak:

Originally posted by Legatus Lucanus:

i am not shure if it works in this way when you develope a game in the universe, GW has to approve it first. :)

Pretty explicitly wrong otherwise GW wouldn't have guidelines on how to create your own marine chapters.

creating your own space marine chapter is not comparable with what you wrote in your comment, what you wrote is true for private people and players but not for developers.

Neocore spend about the first 6 Months of the development of Inquisitor Martyr together with games workshop in order to elaborate what neocore can do (is allowed to do) and what not. There is defenitely not nothing and everything canon for developers. :)

[Judge-Mental-One]

It doesn't bother me but it does some, so I would have liked there to be male/female choice for every char. it can however wait very far down on a long list of things to do.

[Brother PaciFist]

They have creative freedom to make their own game sub-universe. Each author does that when he writes books. If they want an Ordo Assassinorum, then why not. The inquisition uses Assassins, so why no Ordo Assassinorum. Ordo is a latin word that means Order, chapter, office in english.

[Fenrisson]

Originally posted by Legatus Lucanus:

The game takes place in the newest version of the 40k universe, the empire is split in 2 parts and so on......

Are you sure about that I think it is before "The Gathering Storm" because Battlefleet Gothic 2 will be the first Game after the Storm.

[Brother PaciFist]

Battlefleet gothic 2 is the first warhammer 40k game set in the new warhammer 40k universe. Martyr is not according to what information i have. Thankfully. Games Workshop try hard to not only destroy warhammer fantasy but warhammer 40k too. It is painful to watch for an old relic like me.

[Valnak]

Originally posted by Legatus Lucanus:

Originally posted by Valnak:

Pretty explicitly wrong otherwise GW wouldn't have guidelines on how to create your own marine chapters.

creating your own space marine chapter is not comparable with what you wrote in your comment, what you wrote is true for private people and players but not for developers.

Neocore spend about the first 6 Months of the development of Inquisitor Martyr together with games workshop in order to elaborate what neocore can do (is allowed to do) and what not. There is defenitely not nothing and everything canon for developers. :)

Have you read the Eisenhorn books? What about the Inquisition War books? What about the Ciaphas Cain books? Aren't they all inconsistent with each other?

[rasabt]

Originally posted by Valnak:

The wonderful thing about 40k is that there basically is no canon and at the same time everything is canon.

cannon is that everyone...literaly everyone can and could become an Inquisitor
but assas are a very special kind of person..so yeah, it's kinda unlikly.
but it's a game, you kill an amount of things even Guilliman couldn't do..and assas are cool.
i mean i'd love to see an Eversor or Vindicare, but i guess that's even to out there for GW.

and no you can't do what you want with the official GW-tag on your game/book/whatever. GW is known to be one of the "strictest" companies out there.

[Mikado]

Originally posted by majorstoner:

The Death Cult Assassins may be considered Imperial Assassins, even though they are not under the Officio Assassinorum, many inquisitors employ them for their skill with the twin power weapons they carry. They are able to strike several deadly blows on a foe very quickly. Whilst still dangerous foes, they in no way compare to 'official' Assassins. basicly not one from one of the temples so not Officio Assassinorum

When you suggest 'many inquisitors employ them' do you mean employ as a member of their retinue? Given the background around Death Cultists I would not have expected them suitable to be Inquisitors. They appear to be voiced acted out of character to a Death Cultist background too. I guess this is an exception now or something fundamental has changed?

Also I thought the Sniper Rifles were the weapon of choice for a particular temple not associated with the close combat Death Cult? It just seems a bit mixed up.

[Fenrisson]

Originally posted by Brother PaciFist:

Battlefleet gothic 2 is the first warhammer 40k game set in the new warhammer 40k universe. Martyr is not according to what information i have. Thankfully. Games Workshop try hard to not only destroy warhammer fantasy but warhammer 40k too. It is painful to watch for an old relic like me.

I really like the Gathering Storm setting I always wanted the story to move on

[Nirgal]

In the roleplaying game Dark Heresy that is canon (at least wasn't retcon like female space marines, squats, or discontinued like Malal) in the Ascension rulebook that gives backgrounds and rules to play an inquisitor and his throne agents Assassins are legit starting packages to become Inquisitors. The game has a throne agent package for Vindicare assassins (not compatible with the inquisitor role) while Eversors are npcs (ofc), no rules are in the book concerning the other temples.

While i can see difficulties for a temple assassin to become an inquisitor due to the extensive mind and physical conditioning (eversor inquisitor? no thx; culexus/callidus/vindicare inquisitor? wow could be awesome!), for death cult assassins i don't see any problem for they are actually indipendent organizations inside the imperium (they are religious sects not recognized into the ecclesia), often even radical and in theory they are not nearly as "superhuman" as temple assassins.