Tarot Questions

[PyroMancer]

Is there any real difference between Superstition and Resilance Tarot cards? Both say they increase the chance of Relic spawning. So do they have the same chance and do they stack? Also is the increase chance worth it, or is it so small it doesn't matter?

Also I hear a lot of guides recommend Murder because of increased XP but after 3 characters and over hundred hours I was looking at numbers the only increase seems to be from the mission rewards. And the small increase mission XP doesn't seem like it be worth since you aren't getting it from killing mobs which seem like primary source of XP. I feel like increase drop rates of whatever you need is a better pick.

Also any general recommendations on Tarot card picks?

[TEKnowledgy]

Just depends what ya doing and how you are setup, if im playing an under level mission I usually use xp card actually i use it anyways i mean once 100 no point for it really. Some them tarots not only increase relic etc drops but also effect level of the mission so make sure to read it closely it can be easy to miss until card dropped into the deck. Fortunately you can deselect cards, that used to not be a thing. Theres some nifty decks if you enjoy tinkering with new ideas you could stack 2 of the relic drop cards then drop a seal in there for say example belts have greater chance of getting a relic or better belt. I can't truly recommend a general setup because I use tarots based on what I'm doing. I'd bet a good majority of people also do it this way.

[Granite]

Superstition compared to Resillience gives a little higher "All Reward Bonus" - 100% vs 90% (when upgraded to level 5).
Resillience gives random bunus to all enemies, usually some resistance, while Superstition gives random bonus to champion enemies only, usually extra damage or health.
I don't know if there is difference between them in that "increased chance to gain high quality items" bonus, although the bonus should stack.
Anyway, the best loot is found in void crusades, namely in the supreme mission, so that's probably the best mission to use these tarots.

I usually pick only Superstittion when palying my maxed character for loot only, the other minor is Venom, to increase tarot drops cause I still have lots of cards to upgrade - this can work well as Superstition can give increased champion spawns, which usually drop most of the loot, including tarots. For the major, it's usually Possessed as best +0 levels card, then Heretek Forge, Martyr or Fallen Hero, depending if I want any extra loot chance and levels added, but they usually reduce number of allowed deaths in a mission (because of that they are unavailable in hardcore void crusades).

When going for XP, major cards the same, then Venom and Murder, equip my signum of wisdom (+50% xp), if doing intel missions popping meme virus too.

There is also trick when upgrading tarot card, initially you can put only 10 cards into each tarot, afterwards you need to spend credits to upgrade them to next level, when you fill them all up, don't upgrade those you won't be using, upgrade only one and all consumed tarots will go only into that one - Venom is best to max out first.

[PyroMancer]

Originally posted by TEKnowledgy:

Fortunately you can deselect cards, that used to not be a thing.

Yeah I know. it was a pain before I'd be like let's do +5 on this already high mission and then see damage penalty go a bit higher then I planned and was like opps. I should have picked the lower tier card.

Originally posted by Granite:

I don't know if there is difference between them in that "increased chance to gain high quality items" bonus, although the bonus should stack.
Anyway, the best loot is found in void crusades, namely in the supreme mission, so that's probably the best mission to use these tarots.

Yeah that's what I've been doing. Just wonder though if one had a higher % chance or not.

Originally posted by Granite:

When going for XP, major cards the same, then Venom and Murder, equip my signum of wisdom (+50% xp), if doing intel missions popping meme virus too.

What is meme virus? I've heard it referenced multiple times but never got around to looking into it.

Also are intel mission better for XP? I have just been running void over and over since it's where the loot is and gaining XP for levels along the way. I never really ran intel missions other than as league objective. I just started the game during the last league so still fairly new and always looking for tips and things to improve.

Originally posted by Granite:

There is also trick when upgrading tarot card, initially you can put only 10 cards into each tarot, afterwards you need to spend credits to upgrade them to next level, when you fill them all up, don't upgrade those you won't be using, upgrade only one and all consumed tarots will go only into that one - Venom is best to max out first.

Yeah I know about tarot trick. I pretty my focus on Vemon at start and it's one of the minors on most missions unless it's like supreme mission run then I do all the +relic chance cards.

That reminds me the dupe tarot card has a chance of duping a reward does that effect void chest and other in mission drops or just that loot crate after the mission ends?

[TEKnowledgy]

I want to try this +11 mission card arch something for name lol I'm still not confident enough though even if i die not like i'd lose anything. I might just have to roll it later just for shxts n giggles. Take care man and happy gaming!

[TEKnowledgy]

I just tried what said I do, actually beat it was fairly easy on the TP I might could do it with my sniper not sure about any other. I'm not confident with my psyker or crusader I haven't invested lotta time into them like i did sniper and TP. Mission level was 93 I was 82 at the start.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2545715030

I'm not sure i could do any higher constructs vs some enemies only dealing like 20 damage crits little more kastalens died least once every battle glad I have 2 helped a lot. think if i gave them explode death would made things little more efficient. At guess probably about 15-20 mins for the mission. I wasn't really watching the time just what it felt like.

[phenir]

I was gonna say the effects of card are detailed on the compendium, but resilience for some reason doesn't have any details while superstition says it give card level *25% increased relic drop chance, at the expense of lower tier items. Resilience is the only card on the compendium that doesn't have this level of detail.

[Granite]

Originally posted by PyroMancer:

Yeah that's what I've been doing. Just wonder though if one had a higher % chance or not.

Originally posted by phenir:

I was gonna say the effects of card are detailed on the compendium, but resilience for some reason doesn't have any details while superstition says it give card level *25% increased relic drop chance, at the expense of lower tier items. Resilience is the only card on the compendium that doesn't have this level of detail.

Thanks, didn't know there were any numbers there, although it looks that compendium information is also outdated - look at "Unlocks at" conditions, also "Sets mission difficulty level to XX + Card Level * 2", we know the increase in mission level is flat +2, +5, +8 or +11.
It also seems odd, that Treasure Trove has higher duplication chance than all other cards with that effect which also increase mission level (Deceiver has wrong effect listed).
But lookin at other cards with loot quality bonus, I would guess that Superstition and Resillience should be identical in this.

Originally posted by PyroMancer:

What is meme virus? I've heard it referenced multiple times but never got around to looking into it.

Also are intel mission better for XP? I have just been running void over and over since it's where the loot is and gaining XP for levels along the way. I never really ran intel missions other than as league objective. I just started the game during the last league so still fairly new and always looking for tips and things to improve.

Meme virus is a consumable which gives +100% XP gained from all sources for 5 missions (in inventory it looks like two crossed syringes with glowing green stuff in them) . It drops randomly, intel missions are good source for it, also supreme mission in void crusades always have one chest that drops intel and consumables, if you get all keys and info fragment you can identify it easily. You can also use Perseverance tarot to increase drop chances.

I think Intel missions are better for farming XP, if just aiming only for that. They are more readily accessible than crusades (intel drops are common), they used to be the only option for coop (XP gain scales in coop), for quick coop session they are still better as crusades can get hours to complete. Also, sometimes they reward Ordo reputation for one of the Ordos.

Originally posted by PyroMancer:

That reminds me the dupe tarot card has a chance of duping a reward does that effect void chest and other in mission drops or just that loot crate after the mission ends?

According to compendium cards with dupe chance (Treasure Trove, Hourglass, Deceiver etc.) affect mid-mission loot only, that is loot dropped from killed enemies and from chests, loot from post-mission rewards is unaffected. The quality increasing cards should aslo affect post-mission loot.