Warhammer 40,000: Inquisitor - Martyr

Warhammer 40,000: Inquisitor - Martyr

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Please enforce anti-cheat measures for single player.
The main point of being online only is to prevent cheating from spilling over to MP. This games share the same character for both SP and MP. A quick search around the interwebs has revealed cheats being released for the game due to many game variables(health,ammo,cooldowns,etc) being stored client side in SP as opposed to games like D3 where most of it is stored server side. This means that criminals can cheat with impunity in SP then bring their ill gotten gains over to MP side and brag about it even though they haven't earned it. Please do something about it lest it diminishes the online experience.

Usual suspects like cheatengine already have fully working table.
Last edited by Mentally Unstable; Jun 7, 2018 @ 4:52pm
Originally posted by ✪ megapull:
We have already fixed the cfg issue internally, and it will be in the next update.
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Irrelevant Jun 7, 2018 @ 4:34pm 
You have a config file you can change so no need for external tools. There was already a thread about it but as far as I know they catched some cheaters already.
Zachno Jun 7, 2018 @ 4:36pm 
so what your saying is that the entire (Publicized) reason the devs made this game "Online-Only" has completely and utterly failed?
But that kind of defeats the whole online only as an anti-cheat measure and gives haters even more ammo....

Case in point:Reply above.
Last edited by Mentally Unstable; Jun 7, 2018 @ 4:37pm
Irrelevant Jun 7, 2018 @ 4:37pm 
They told some other reasons why it's online only but I'm to lazy to look for it and post it here :). I think the anti cheating part was never their main concern.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/527430/discussions/0/1473095965291684995/

That is the post. There is a section on cheating and even PVP section mentions online requirement as a need to prevent cheating. People are currently able cheat in SP and bring it over to PVP.
Diogenes Jun 7, 2018 @ 4:40pm 
Why? cheating in single player games doesn't hurt anyone.

As regards cheat engine and other tools on Martyr, they don't generally work on Online Only games anyway.
Mentally Unstable Jun 7, 2018 @ 4:42pm 
Unearned progress made in SP brings over to MP as well and can potentially create power imbalance since criminals can grind with impunity(eg with god mode) to get high end loot while law abiding players do it the slower and harder way.
Palpathicc Jun 7, 2018 @ 4:43pm 
Thanks for bringing this matter to our attention, we will investigate it.
Thank you, please add something like Easy Anti-cheat,VAC or Battleeye!
Last edited by Mentally Unstable; Jun 7, 2018 @ 4:57pm
Brother PaciFist Jun 7, 2018 @ 4:47pm 
So another argument for always online bites the dust. Nice. The game is a keeps on giving poop.
Avenger93 Jun 7, 2018 @ 5:52pm 
>criminals

this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ maks me laugh so hard :)) for some reason. The mentality behind using that term ... christ it's a game, not some bank someone is robbing.

Also as far as the dreadfull cheats you mentioned ... nobody can ♥♥♥♥ with the game economy. You can't with any of the methods online I could find alter earned curency, nor earned glory or reputation, you can't even alter what drops you get. you can't even cheat your way to faster finishing of a mission because you can't alter the damage your equipment does nor the nerfs on damage inflicted missions in the red tier place on you, so what if there's a working god mode if the player is quite literaly incapable of finishing the mission because he can't kill the enemies? So exactly what is the problem here? You can't cheat and bypass the grind, you can't give yourself more xp, best you can do is if playing solo, you can get a pseudo-god mode (if you take enough damage to get instant-gibbed you die anyway) working.

And yes I did mention solo play, because if you know anything about how games are made and how even martyr works as a game, you know that the memory architecture for solo play and online play are different, meaning you simply can't get those things working in the online portion of the game, be it coop or pvp. Source for this? I made my own table for the game in the alpha because I got tired of bugs and crashes making me loose progress on missions constantly. The game stores the info on the servers whenever you play online. And even when you play solo, the only things that would actualy affect the game in any negative way, cheating the economy of the game via credits/fate/xp/item drops ... well not only could that be cheated with a cfg file the devs left on the hard-drive in the beta, but curently it can't be done with any form of external program.

In sumation: you are crying wolf over nothing. PvP has matchmaking so if some horrid cheater progressed faster than you ... congrats, he can't play with you because he's higher level (though if I was to play pvp at any point, I would take a guy who cheated in solo play because he has no ideea how to properly play anyway). His cheats won't work in coop for obvious reasons, so no chance of him ruining your coop experience (I mean beyond the fact he will suck at the game if he only relied on god mode to stay alive up to that point), there's no trading system so they can ruin your game with hacked items, but even if there was: there is no way to hack in items or alter drop rates or even edit items in your inventory because all of that is server sided.

So what problems exactly can cheaters cause at this point?

1) they can ruin the game for themselves by not learning how to play properly
2) they can at best achieve infintesimaly slightly faster progress by running harder missions than their skill will allow, but a good player who can run hard missions can keep up with them no problems, in fact he can even out-pace them by knowing how to exploit the game to finish missions faster and have faster kill times

And that's about all they can do. Maybe instead of trying to start a panic and raving about criminals (no nation on planet earth and no legal code on the planet has any form of classification as crime for what can at best ammount to tricking a computer program, get off the high horse) when you don't even understand how the game works in the first place.

Furthermore: despite the vaunted always online features, this game is a quintessential single-player game that just happens to be always online. Kind of like D3. Coop, if it works, is detrimental to the game as it buffs the mobs in both HP and damage immensly compared to whatever benefits a partner might bring, making the game and progress slower for everyone involved, and what do you gain for it? Extra fate:? More glory? More XP? More Credits? Better drops? The answer to all the above questions is a gigantic NO. So why even bother with it? It's not like you even have VoIP in the game, so if your internet ain;t the best or the game isn't running verry well, congrats, you now must add the extra load of skype or discord or TS over the game to even be able to talk to your coop partner (no, written chat no longer counts in this day and age, especialy since you can't stop and type while also playing an arpg and being in the middle of a fight).

As for PvP, I'll just reiterate that whatever I could find online does not in any way work with multy due to how the game itself is designed and was designed ever since the alpha and beta. Beyond that I never have nor ever will have any interest in the mode, as PvP is not something I play ARPGs for.
Irrelevant Jun 7, 2018 @ 5:54pm 
We'll see what cheating is. If the cheating guy form fortnite or pubg or whatever is judged guilty cheaters will be criminals in the future :)
Valnak Jun 7, 2018 @ 6:37pm 
Originally posted by Mentally Unstable:
criminals
Under whose law? What law was broken? What will the sentence be?
Irrelevant Jun 7, 2018 @ 6:39pm 
Originally posted by Valnak:
Originally posted by Mentally Unstable:
criminals
Under whose law? What law was broken? What will the sentence be?
Ask google sorry. I only looked it once because I was courious but I don't digged into it.
DarkChaplain Jun 7, 2018 @ 6:47pm 
Originally posted by Irrelevant:
We'll see what cheating is. If the cheating guy form fortnite or pubg or whatever is judged guilty cheaters will be criminals in the future :)

Those were sued for distributing cheat software, as in, selling cheats that were interfering with source files yadda yadda, and for circumventing repeat bans and violations of the terms of service in numerous instances. It wasn't that they cheated, but that they cheated, got banned, and then tried to do it again and again, while also trying to financially profit off the tools they made for said cheating.

Bottom line, cheating itself isn't the problem they're being taken to court over, but trying to sell their stuff is.
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