Shields

[fluppi]

The Shields, are they any useful? Because you have to manually block every time. Somehow it feels like a lot of button mashing, what could just be a passive skill

[FlameWar]

Originally posted by fluppi:

The Shields, are they any useful? Because you have to manually block every time. Somehow it feels like a lot of button mashing, what could just be a passive skill

No, not really worht it in my experience, especialy as you got pretty tight timing.
Would be a lot more usefull imo if you had a shield that simply had a damage reduction for x seconds (could be coupled with cool animations for pistols, where you hold up the shield and rest the pistol atop it to shoot enemeis), or one like in the Van Helsing games, where you simply held down the button and the shield was up for as long as you held the button.

As it stands now, not only do oyu have to do a lot of button smashing, you will also get limited effect out of it because the duration is so short.

[fluppi]

I don't get, why Neocore didn't improve this. Right now, I'm all for two handed Weapons, becaust the Shield in the Offhand is not worth it.

[FlameWar]

Originally posted by fluppi:

I don't get, why Neocore didn't improve this. Right now, I'm all for two handed Weapons, becaust the Shield in the Offhand is not worth it.

Indeed.
At least for the crusader that is. For Assasins dual-wield melee is viable, though not as fun as some of the crazy stuff on the 2 hand melee weapons the assasin get's (I mean, you can get a jump away fro menemeis, as one of the major dmagae abilites, on a melee weapon... crazy ♥♥♥♥ :D )

[L3610N_Actual]

The Shield is a very good defensive Item, you can skill the doubled deflect from Shields in the Defense Tree and go full deflect. If i recall correctly the block is active as long as you hold the Button, but it costs Focus.

[The Raving Dragon]

you know the block has no animation so you can hold it down and attack at the same time and if you have high focus regen you don't even notice the drain also acts as a mini heal if you have that 1 skill or relic effect that heals on focus use

if you hold it down it will just keep spaming it

[FlameWar]

Oh, they finaly fixe dit so the shield stays up? good to know.

[L3610N_Actual]

Originally posted by FlameWar:

Oh, they finaly fixe dit so the shield stays up? good to know.

already worked since the beta. I have been playing since then almost entirely as a Deflect-Crusader.

[fluppi]

Ohh, thats good to know, I always thought its a push and repeat thing, not holding down

[Gorwe]

They are good items, Suppression Shield especially. The problem is that the 1H Melee isn't really worth it. Axe has no Bleed on AoE(really stupid), Sword is...I don't know, Hammer is ok and Chainsword is meh compared to Eviscerator. And the Shields:

Shield Block is meant to be used vs telegraphed attack of Commander+ enemies. And it's very good at that. But! Since when are those a problem? It doesn't really do that much vs Ranged focus fire(ganga banga) and eats your Focus. Imo, it should get either at least +50% duration OR just get reworked into its van Helsing version.

Shield Suppress is fantastic. Doesn't have that much of a CD for what it does, can be nicely rotated with other AoEs AND it has a large AoE with a CC. It's actually quite good, especially if you have the likes of Assault Armor or Personal Teleporter.

Shield Charge(Storm Shield) is promising, but it suffers because it has too long of a CD. 10s really kills it in the meaning. Either way(seeing how you'll most likely be using Assault Armor anyhow), it's a worse skill than the Shield Suppress.

Originally posted by Vox_Noctem:

The Shield is a very good defensive Item, you can skill the doubled deflect from Shields in the Defense Tree and go full deflect. If i recall correctly the block is active as long as you hold the Button, but it costs Focus.

It's 50%, not 100%. Regardless, the point is the same, you can get very tanky while using it and if it is called "Suppression Shield", you don't even lose that much.

[daxescomando]

Originally posted by fluppi:

The Shields, are they any useful? Because you have to manually block every time. Somehow it feels like a lot of button mashing, what could just be a passive skill

great FING IDEA!! , ya passive wll be so great i mean trying to timing with the shield is kindano great experience i was trying to like the tank and the shield ability but nop..... i was asking shield and shield do something with the shield but nothing and passive wll be fantastic.

[The Raving Dragon]

Originally posted by Gorwe:

They are good items, Suppression Shield especially. The problem is that the 1H Melee isn't really worth it. Axe has no Bleed on AoE(really stupid), Sword is...I don't know, Hammer is ok and Chainsword is meh compared to Eviscerator. And the Shields:

Shield Block is meant to be used vs telegraphed attack of Commander+ enemies. And it's very good at that. But! Since when are those a problem? It doesn't really do that much vs Ranged focus fire(ganga banga) and eats your Focus. Imo, it should get either at least +50% duration OR just get reworked into its van Helsing version.

Shield Suppress is fantastic. Doesn't have that much of a CD for what it does, can be nicely rotated with other AoEs AND it has a large AoE with a CC. It's actually quite good, especially if you have the likes of Assault Armor or Personal Teleporter.

Shield Charge(Storm Shield) is promising, but it suffers because it has too long of a CD. 10s really kills it in the meaning. Either way(seeing how you'll most likely be using Assault Armor anyhow), it's a worse skill than the Shield Suppress.

Originally posted by Vox_Noctem:

The Shield is a very good defensive Item, you can skill the doubled deflect from Shields in the Defense Tree and go full deflect. If i recall correctly the block is active as long as you hold the Button, but it costs Focus.

It's 50%, not 100%. Regardless, the point is the same, you can get very tanky while using it and if it is called "Suppression Shield", you don't even lose that much.

suppression* tree skill "defiance" makes cooldown a mute point for deflect sader i use storm shield and the bombardment armour makes a joke out of most bosses and "leets"

Originally posted by daxescomando:

Originally posted by fluppi:

The Shields, are they any useful? Because you have to manually block every time. Somehow it feels like a lot of button mashing, what could just be a passive skill

great FING IDEA!! , ya passive wll be so great i mean trying to timing with the shield is kindano great experience i was trying to like the tank and the shield ability but nop..... i was asking shield and shield do something with the shield but nothing and passive wll be fantastic.

you don't NEED TIMING just hold the button down the game will spame the skill

[Gorwe]

Originally posted by The Raving Dragon:

Originally posted by Gorwe:

They are good items, Suppression Shield especially. The problem is that the 1H Melee isn't really worth it. Axe has no Bleed on AoE(really stupid), Sword is...I don't know, Hammer is ok and Chainsword is meh compared to Eviscerator. And the Shields:

Shield Block is meant to be used vs telegraphed attack of Commander+ enemies. And it's very good at that. But! Since when are those a problem? It doesn't really do that much vs Ranged focus fire(ganga banga) and eats your Focus. Imo, it should get either at least +50% duration OR just get reworked into its van Helsing version.

Shield Suppress is fantastic. Doesn't have that much of a CD for what it does, can be nicely rotated with other AoEs AND it has a large AoE with a CC. It's actually quite good, especially if you have the likes of Assault Armor or Personal Teleporter.

Shield Charge(Storm Shield) is promising, but it suffers because it has too long of a CD. 10s really kills it in the meaning. Either way(seeing how you'll most likely be using Assault Armor anyhow), it's a worse skill than the Shield Suppress.




It's 50%, not 100%. Regardless, the point is the same, you can get very tanky while using it and if it is called "Suppression Shield", you don't even lose that much.

support tree skill "defiance" makes cooldown a mute point for deflect sader i use storm shield and the bombardment armour makes a joke out of most bosses and "leets"

Originally posted by daxescomando:

great FING IDEA!! , ya passive wll be so great i mean trying to timing with the shield is kindano great experience i was trying to like the tank and the shield ability but nop..... i was asking shield and shield do something with the shield but nothing and passive wll be fantastic.

you don't NEED TIMING just hold the button down the game will spame the skill

Hm, thanks for mentioning! Still, in such a case, Suppression Shield would have nonstop AoE with perma CC. I still tend to like that one more even if what you said could work quite nicely in the defense of Storm Shield.

Also, about Shield Block, why not just make it Channeled then? Just allow you to move and all.

edit: Defiance isn't in "Support", it's in "Suppression". That's quite the difference, but agreed, beautiful passive!

[The Raving Dragon]

Originally posted by Gorwe:

Originally posted by The Raving Dragon:

support tree skill "defiance" makes cooldown a mute point for deflect sader i use storm shield and the bombardment armour makes a joke out of most bosses and "leets"


you don't NEED TIMING just hold the button down the game will spame the skill

Hm, thanks for mentioning! Still, in such a case, Suppression Shield would have nonstop AoE with perma CC. I still tend to like that one more even if what you said could work quite nicely in the defense of Storm Shield.

Also, about Shield Block, why not just make it Channeled then? Just allow you to move and all.

in terms of CC the suppression shield is better i use storm for the movement in place of jump pack i have a focus regen of 6 a second could get it higher but meh so bombard with almost no cooldown just murders every thing

i ment suppression lol and i have no clue why shield block is not a channel skill

[Prozac]

Originally posted by The Raving Dragon:

suppression* tree skill "defiance" makes cooldown a mute point for deflect sader i use storm shield and the bombardment armour makes a joke out of most bosses and "leets"

Are the skills in "support" - bottom right" also usefull in addition with defiance for deflect sader? Cant find any up2date builds.

[The Raving Dragon]

Originally posted by Prozac:

Originally posted by The Raving Dragon:

suppression* tree skill "defiance" makes cooldown a mute point for deflect sader i use storm shield and the bombardment armour makes a joke out of most bosses and "leets"

Are the skills in "support" - bottom right" also usefull in addition with defiance for deflect sader? Cant find any up2date builds.

the bottom right 3 yes that 0.5%hp on focus use is very nice but you can also get a relic effect that goes up to at least 2% on focus use , that is super nice but only if you spam focus skills like block