Heavy bolter? I do not get it.

[Fulli]

It seams the Heavy Bolter is just underpowerd, i cant even kill crowds of green enemys with it. Is there a wright way to use it?

[Hatchetforce]

Agreed. Heavy bolters should rain death:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbX7T6_yfq4

[WhiskerstheClockworkCat]

Wow they have changed what is considered a heavy bolter. Heavy bolters used to be the over the shoulder affairs that fired rounds equivalent in size to the AGU used in the warthog.

[Deadoon]

I think the heavy bolter is "powerful" enough as is, but it is so inaccurate and some modes fire so slowly that it is quite worthless imo.

As of right now, the main use for it to me is the #2 fire ability, the explosive rounds it fires are quite good for the knockdown effect.

Prefer the standard melta for raw damage, and the autogun/bolter for rapid fire. Would like to see a heavy stubber as a rapid fire heavy weapon though.

[stillersturm666]

With the later GW Models they put em down like OG Heavy Bolters xD
As long as they don't fire em sideways
Oh and maybe Akimbo heavy Bolters lel :D
But yes I am not tooo sure about the Heavy Bolter InGame, but I just played 1 mission with it.
Reminds me that I am not a Space Marine that can carry bizzillion of deadly weapons...

[Deadoon]

Originally posted by stillersturm666:

With the later GW Models they put em down like OG Heavy Bolters xD
As long as they don't fire em sideways :pleased:
Oh and maybe Akimbo heavy Bolters lel :D
But yes I am not tooo sure about the Heavy Bolter InGame, but I just played 1 mission with it.
Reminds me that I am not a Space Marine that can carry bizzillion of deadly weapons...

Those dual wield ones are supposed to be simplified smaller heavy bolters with shorter range but similar firepower. Also those are used by the enhanced primaris space marines, which make it obvious how unwieldy they are, sort of like a stub carbine is to a heavy stubber.

But a crusader wears human scale power armor, which puts him in the range to use heavy weapons with minimal consequences, even an autocannon is not out of the question.

[stillersturm666]

I might be out of the loop with the Table Top Game, but I never seen anyone carrying 2 Heavy Bolters O.o
And for showing that a heavy Bolter can be used without throwing it over the Shoulder a picture of the Battle Waifus
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DbR1WMIZwSo/UnmbBD3oD-I/AAAAAAAAAT8/fP3nDFIb5qs/s320/m1250033_99060108006_WHSoBHvyboltmain_445x319.jpg

[Deadoon]

Originally posted by stillersturm666:

I might be out of the loop with the Table Top Game, but I never seen anyone carrying 2 Heavy Bolters O.o
And for showing that a heavy Bolter can be used without throwing it over the Shoulder a picture of the Battle Waifus
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DbR1WMIZwSo/UnmbBD3oD-I/AAAAAAAAAT8/fP3nDFIb5qs/s320/m1250033_99060108006_WHSoBHvyboltmain_445x319.jpg

Inceptor squads[wh40k.lexicanum.com] of primaris space marines can have a pair of assault bolters with enhanced jump packs which allow for low orbit direct drops and assault squad level mobility and slightly better armor.

Assault bolters are cutdown heavy bolters without all the sophisticated components, flexibility, or precision(which this game seriously lacks for your own) of the full size thing, compacted into a pistol shaped form factor.

Also sisters of battle are pretty much on par with a crusader character. Both have human scale power armor and equipment. Would love to have one of their storm bolters though.

[Diogenes]

The biggest problem with the Heavy Bolter, and what makes it a terrible weapon, is the wide spread on it.

You can't kill anything, because you can't hit anything. 3 of it's 4 skills all have a wide spread, which ruin it's efficiency. It really makes no sense to put such a wide spread on almost every skill that the Heavy Bolter uses

The Heavy Bolter might have a 100 round magazine, but only a 10th of that will actually hit anything. If you use the one skill that doesn't have a wide spread, you will immediately notice the difference in accuracy, but then you are reduced to using only 1 skill.

The only way round that is to equip gear which reduces spread, but that gear is quite rare and it is not worth considering, given the range of other more capable weapons that are available, such as the Bolt Gun.

The only other effective way to use the Heavy Bolter, is to use it at point blank range, and even then you will probably miss.

I gave up on the Heavy Bolter, and switched over to the Plasma Cannon, which is a superior weapon in almost every aspect.

[stillersturm666]

Ok never really had the Assault Bolters back in my days of playing the tabletop so yeah =/
Only half way thing back to that were the Storm Bolters carried by Terminator troups.
But thats intresting. Ever since I seen the trailers to this game and the plaing it I kept checking out where to buy the new game rules and stuff. I started back in 1993/94 or so when the first German Edition popped. And also the Fantasy. Sorry for being offtopic

[✪ megapull]

Note that we use EA to balance everything throughout the entirety of it, so expect changes. Even more so that the Heavy Bolter is my favourite weapon in the game :P

[Hatchetforce]

The Heavy Bolter wasn't a shoulder fired weapon as it was simply too heavy. It could be mounted on a pintle so you now have a base or position defense weapon on a tripod or on a vehicle for offense/defense. The Heavy Bolter fires rocket propelled .998 cal rounds. Think about that. Almost twice the size of a .50 and if you have fired one of those you know the damage it can do. It is an electric weapon rather than gas operated with a motor driving the feed of ammo similar to a minigun in that respect so we definitely need a more specific sound for the weapon. If you have ever been around real weapons fire you know that some are more unique sounding that others. And if you have read enough of the books you know that when someone is working enemy troops with one it has a very very distinctive audio footprint.

The thing about the Heavy Bolter is the fact it is a two man weapon and not carried by a single Imperial troop except for Space Marines and the reason they could do this was their engineered size and strength combined with Power Armor so it isn't the kind of thing that a standard troop can carry around.

I really wish the Dev Team would adhere to the canon. Too many times we have various games where teams twist around backwards, do a somersault and a cartwheel to make some gameplay convention change that torpedoes the canon. And usually it is unecessary to do so if they just used more imagination. I just wanted to throw up recently playing Shadow Of War and how they pissed on Tolkien in that game. And it really wasn't necessary because there were plenty of other routes they could have taken with great story adjustments and gameplay mechanics. They just lacked imagination and quite frankly were lazy. I have 7 games plus DLC from Neocore and know they have the capability to do something great and stay within the bounds of the canon. But at the end of the day they have to make the effort.

[Raisti]

Originally posted by Megapull_Neocore:

Note that we use EA to balance everything throughout the entirety of it, so expect changes. Even more so that the Heavy Bolter is my favourite weapon in the game :P

Dont believe you that Heavy Bolter is your Favourite Weapon. If it where it would be already Overpowered. But it isnt so i dont believe you :D

[WhiskerstheClockworkCat]

Originally posted by Hatchetforce:

The Heavy Bolter wasn't a shoulder fired weapon as it was simply too heavy. It could be mounted on a pintle so you now have a base or position defense weapon on a tripod or on a vehicle for offense/defense. The Heavy Bolter fires rocket propelled .998 cal rounds. Think about that. Almost twice the size of a .50 and if you have fired one of those you know the damage it can do. It is an electric weapon rather than gas operated with a motor driving the feed of ammo similar to a minigun in that respect so we definitely need a more specific sound for the weapon. If you have ever been around real weapons fire you know that some are more unique sounding that others. And if you have read enough of the books you know that when someone is working enemy troops with one it has a very very distinctive audio footprint.

Lets see if I can find a link to an image of an old school, 2nd/3rd edition 40K Heavy bolter as carried by a space marine.... Hang on **digs around the depths of the interwebz**

http://pre05.deviantart.net/bbc6/th/pre/i/2013/266/6/8/devastator_marine__blood_angels_44th_company_by_terraluna5-d6nj9vd.jpg

Here is an image from a deviant artist. It shows how heavy bolter's were carried by Marines back when I first started playing the tabletop game.

None of this hip fired stuf, but a shoulder carried cannon.

[Hatchetforce]

Originally posted by Original Lord Drow:

Originally posted by Hatchetforce:

The Heavy Bolter wasn't a shoulder fired weapon as it was simply too heavy. It could be mounted on a pintle so you now have a base or position defense weapon on a tripod or on a vehicle for offense/defense. The Heavy Bolter fires rocket propelled .998 cal rounds. Think about that. Almost twice the size of a .50 and if you have fired one of those you know the damage it can do. It is an electric weapon rather than gas operated with a motor driving the feed of ammo similar to a minigun in that respect so we definitely need a more specific sound for the weapon. If you have ever been around real weapons fire you know that some are more unique sounding that others. And if you have read enough of the books you know that when someone is working enemy troops with one it has a very very distinctive audio footprint.

Lets see if I can find a link to an image of an old school, 2nd/3rd edition 40K Heavy bolter as carried by a space marine.... Hang on **digs around the depths of the interwebz**

http://pre05.deviantart.net/bbc6/th/pre/i/2013/266/6/8/devastator_marine__blood_angels_44th_company_by_terraluna5-d6nj9vd.jpg

Here is an image from a deviant artist. It shows how heavy bolter's were carried by Marines back when I first started playing the tabletop game.

None of this hip fired stuf, but a shoulder carried cannon.

The Codex on that has since been retconned and has been for some time. The tabletop changed that a long long time ago. I have been playing a long long time and never saw the shoulder version. So it is a hip fired weapon now.

[Hatchetforce]

The ones in that pic are older non-standard versions like this: http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Heavy_Bolter?file=Heavy_Bolter_Type_2.jpg