The Dreadnought as playable class

[Chillermaschine]

So, if a dreadnought is generally a tanky tomb that retains the attitude of the one hulking around with it...

Wouldn't it be cool if we could "sacrifice" a character of our choice to BECOME one such menacing, imposing, yet kind of tragic monstrosity?
Permanently, with all the pro's and con's it brings with it of course, an individual upgrade path...

I know I dream big here, this is probably far-away-future-DLC material (if at all desirable?),
but I always loved the 'noughts and I drool everytime I see one in-game and imagine purging heretics with it myself.

[Indrik Boreale (allkeyshop)]

Mr. Matt eredeti hozzászólása:

So is the large, mechanical-looking thing whose head gets torn off by an inquisitor in an animation on the main store page a Dreadnought that was corrupted by the Warp and is a Chaos Dreadnought or some such? I saw Dreadnoughts in Dawn of War, and after reading some of the posts, that's what I'm gathering it is?

Also, I'm pretty new to 40K lore. I saw one post said that Inquisitors are human, but Space Marines aren't? They can't be "mutants" can they? I'm pretty sure something lethal is in the tagline about mutant, heretics, and the unclean that I saw on the first Dawn of War menu.

I dont know, which picture you mean, but we are talking about these dreads from dawn of war.

Every Inquisitor is a human and some of them are psykers.
Every Psyker is a mutant.
Every Space Marine WAS a human, but after getting those new geneseed and the additional organs, they are no "normal" humans anymore.
If we want to be correctly, they are mutants, but some of the tolerated kind, like navigators, astropaths and other controlled psykers.

[Mr. Matt]

Indrik Boreale eredeti hozzászólása:

Mr. Matt eredeti hozzászólása:

So is the large, mechanical-looking thing whose head gets torn off by an inquisitor in an animation on the main store page a Dreadnought that was corrupted by the Warp and is a Chaos Dreadnought or some such? I saw Dreadnoughts in Dawn of War, and after reading some of the posts, that's what I'm gathering it is?

Also, I'm pretty new to 40K lore. I saw one post said that Inquisitors are human, but Space Marines aren't? They can't be "mutants" can they? I'm pretty sure something lethal is in the tagline about mutant, heretics, and the unclean that I saw on the first Dawn of War menu.

I dont know, which picture you mean, but we are talking about these dreads from dawn of war.

Every Inquisitor is a human and some of them are psykers.
Every Psyker is a mutant.
Every Space Marine WAS a human, but after getting those new geneseed and the additional organs, they are no "normal" humans anymore.
If we want to be correctly, they are mutants, but some of the tolerated kind, like navigators, astropaths and other controlled psykers.

Okay, thanks for the answer. As for the thing I was asking about being a "Chaos Dreadnought," it's that large enemy on the 40K Inquisitor Martyr store page in an animation/gif where an Inquisitor tears it's head off.

[Indrik Boreale (allkeyshop)]

Mr. Matt eredeti hozzászólása:

Indrik Boreale eredeti hozzászólása:

I dont know, which picture you mean, but we are talking about these dreads from dawn of war.

Every Inquisitor is a human and some of them are psykers.
Every Psyker is a mutant.
Every Space Marine WAS a human, but after getting those new geneseed and the additional organs, they are no "normal" humans anymore.
If we want to be correctly, they are mutants, but some of the tolerated kind, like navigators, astropaths and other controlled psykers.

Okay, thanks for the answer. As for the thing I was asking about being a "Chaos Dreadnought," it's that large enemy on the 40K Inquisitor Martyr store page in an animation/gif where an Inquisitor tears it's head off.

This is not a dreadnought.
This could be an obliterator or a chaos terminator.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Obliterator
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chaos_Terminator
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Space_Marine_Dreadnought
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chaos_Dreadnought

German:
http://wh40k-de.lexicanum.com/wiki/Kyborg
http://wh40k-de.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chaos-Terminator
http://wh40k-de.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cybot

[Imperialist]

Indrik Boreale eredeti hozzászólása:

Brother PaciFist eredeti hozzászólása:

The famous Inquisitor Ravenor is entombed in an mobile sarcophagus and lived for thousands of years. He was wounded in the Thracian Primaris terrorist attack, when the Emperor was still around in person in 30k. He was still alive in 40k.

Where can I find the information, that he is still alive? :O

His books are really famous in 40k, but he isn´t alive anymore.

Theres currently no information as to the whereabouts or status of Eisenhorn, Ravenor or Bequin as of M42...but their deaths are not recorded, and juvenat treatments can prolong life to ridiculous degrees so....its possible he is alive. If only Dan Abnett would....finish his series...

[Mr. Matt]

Indrik Boreale eredeti hozzászólása:

Mr. Matt eredeti hozzászólása:

Okay, thanks for the answer. As for the thing I was asking about being a "Chaos Dreadnought," it's that large enemy on the 40K Inquisitor Martyr store page in an animation/gif where an Inquisitor tears it's head off.

This is not a dreadnought.
This could be an obliterator or a chaos terminator.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Obliterator
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chaos_Terminator
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Space_Marine_Dreadnought
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chaos_Dreadnought

German:
http://wh40k-de.lexicanum.com/wiki/Kyborg
http://wh40k-de.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chaos-Terminator
http://wh40k-de.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cybot

Oh thanks! After reading and looking this over, I think it has to be an Obliterator.

[SnugSnug]

Mr. Matt eredeti hozzászólása:

Indrik Boreale eredeti hozzászólása:

This is not a dreadnought.
This could be an obliterator or a chaos terminator.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Obliterator
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chaos_Terminator
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Space_Marine_Dreadnought
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chaos_Dreadnought

German:
http://wh40k-de.lexicanum.com/wiki/Kyborg
http://wh40k-de.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chaos-Terminator
http://wh40k-de.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cybot

Oh thanks! After reading and looking this over, I think it has to be an Obliterator.

Look up Helbrute was introduced in Dark Vengeance, 6th ed. Basically it's a marine that's been interred in a dreadnought which has then been subjugated by the influences of chaos and the warp. The Machine spirit of the dreadnought, deamonic possession and marine remanents all fused into an bio-mechanical deamon engine.

Unlike Astartes, chaos marines aren't usually near dead when interred and are often driven insane by the process assuming they're not already so, and the vehicles that chaos favour tend to be those whose machine spirits are more susceptible to deamonic influence - [althougth this last point is ambiguous and feels more like a bit of 'colour text' that was created after the fact to explain the differences between csm and astartes army lists that then got contradicted by new models releases in subsquent editions.]

[Brother PaciFist]

Imperialist eredeti hozzászólása:

Brother PaciFist eredeti hozzászólása:

The famous Inquisitor Ravenor is entombed in an mobile sarcophagus and lived for thousands of years. He was wounded in the Thracian Primaris terrorist attack, when the Emperor was still around in person in 30k. He was still alive in 40k. Many ship captains are entombed in their commando throne. They live and die with their ships. Titan Princeps are entombed in their command capsule inside the commando deck of the Titan.

What? The Thracian Primaris attack occured in early M41. The entire Eisenhorn/Ravenor/Bequin series takes place between 150 M41 and 500 M41. (counting the Audio Dramas). The books are even dated.

I would also point out that a Dreadnought sarcophagus is not the same tech as the Chair, or a titan command capsule.

The main reason why humans arent in dreadnoughts is that they are
a) Dark Age Technologies, that arent reverse engineered. The mechanicus cant replicate them.
b) extremely mentally taxing. Space Marine Dreadnoughts go into a slumber when not in battle, because they are at peak agony 100% of the time and their minds cant handle it in long stretches. Space Marines have superb psycho-conditioning to help overcome the imperfect melding of man and machine.
c) I would argue only senior Mechanicum Forgemasters and Adepts might be able to meld with one.

Then i misunderstood the dates of the terror attacks sorry. I read horus heresy at the same time. Perhaps i mixed up the dates. Sorry.

[SnugSnug]

Just throw this one in, there's an older book i forget which one Space Marine, Inquisitor or perhaps one of the shorts compilations like Ignorant Armies. Anyway there's a section where the assassin (M'lundi or something similar) who'd undergone polymorph procedures so that she could morph into a genestealer hybrid and infiltrate a cult wanted her 'procedures reversed' since the official channels weren't interested she asks the Inquisitor who agrees to help, when they track down the 'surgeon' turns out he's installed himself into a dreadnought as a precautionary measure against the Oficio Assissinorum and they assissinate another assassin to gain his trust.

Course back then dreadnought were smaller and named different and the lore regarding their pilots is probably now considered non-cannon.

[FarSight]

terminator armor and dreadnoughts are relicks, they cant be produced, the knolege was lost.
so there are only a handfull of them.

[Mr. Matt]

FarSight eredeti hozzászólása:

terminator armor and dreadnoughts are relicks, they cant be produced, the knolege was lost.
so there are only a handfull of them.

So they can't take 'em apart and be like "Oh, okay. Let's reverse engineer this?" =p

I guess it's fun from a lore standpoint to have amazing tech be from the past and irreplacable, though. It certainly helps with giving a reason for armies to strive to obtain different things across various worlds. =)

[Skrag]

FarSight eredeti hozzászólása:

terminator armor and dreadnoughts are relicks, they cant be produced, the knolege was lost.
so there are only a handfull of them.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Redemptor_Dreadnought

Older patterns of dreadnaught were lost over time but the AdMech does know how to build some and with the roll out of the Primaris Space Marines a lot of improved tech came along with it.

[dv]

SnugSnug eredeti hozzászólása:

Just throw this one in, there's an older book i forget which one Space Marine, Inquisitor or perhaps one of the shorts compilations like Ignorant Armies. Anyway there's a section where the assassin (M'lundi or something similar) who'd undergone polymorph procedures so that she could morph into a genestealer hybrid and infiltrate a cult wanted her 'procedures reversed' since the official channels weren't interested she asks the Inquisitor who agrees to help, when they track down the 'surgeon' turns out he's installed himself into a dreadnought as a precautionary measure against the Oficio Assissinorum and they assissinate another assassin to gain his trust.

Course back then dreadnought were smaller and named different and the lore regarding their pilots is probably now considered non-cannon.

Youre thinking of the Jac Draqo Storyline. A member of his retinue Meh'lindi was introduced via the short story you referred to. I cant remeber any enemies in Dreadnought armour though (Been a long time since i've read it though :)).

Back to the Topic, i dont think it would fit to have Inquisitors being encased in Dreadnought armour as it would butcher the lore if you ask me. However, if there are missions in which you are able to recruit Adeptus Astartes units (with all their fancy tools) that would make me very happy.

[Keene]

I'm pretty new to Warhammer lore and oh man is this thread teaching me a lot

[Mr. Matt]

Nekoht eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm pretty new to Warhammer lore and oh man is this thread teaching me a lot :blissful_creep:

Likewise. :D

[SnugSnug]

@dv eredeti hozzászólása:

Thanks for the nudge in which direction to look, the book is Harlequin. The Dreadnought is introduced in chapter 9 a former Director Secundus of Callidus Shrine - Tarik Ziz, who stole the dreadnought and corrupted some tech-priests to repair, refurbish and customise the dreadnought to his specifications.

"If the mortal body of a Secundus was failing, yet he wished to avoid the risks of amnesia that rejuvination often causes - and if he wished to retain his faculties intact! - and if Callidus were enough to obtain such a a supremely protective device...!" The power fist opened up again.
"In the womb within this dreadnought a body curls foetally, preserved. Now i am this dreadnought body; and it is myself. So puissant, so invunerable; much more than omega-dan."

Excerpt: Harlequin - 1994.

Tactical dreadnought armour aka terminator would make a lot more sense or something akin to a Throne of Judgement... but in either case i believe it would feel trivial in game terms for the necessity of balance towards the other playable classess similar to the mini-boss dreadnoughts that are already fielded by the AI even if one could balance the lore equation.