[Experimental] vulkan issue

[Chris Solomon]

I am trying out the new Vulkan render option, but before i start the game, I am already running into issues. not a game breaking, but more of a inconvenience type issue.

Due to eyesight issues, I always play my games at 1280x720. it typically makes things easier for me to see and make out. My system *should* be fully Vulkan capable, so i was excited to try out the new option. BUT.... even though the game is set to full screen (as reflected in the video options) it is showing up in a medium size window on the desktop. pressing Alt+Enter - which is usually the defualt key combo for switching games from windowed to full-screen, does not seem to help. switching to windowed fullscreen does give me fullscreen, but i prefer regular fullscreen becuase the whole start menu area for whatever reason tends to keep popping up in windowed fullscreen.

is anyone else encounteriing this issue whle using Vulkan? is there a workaround that will allow me to use vulkan at fullscreen?

SYSTEM SPECS:
MSI GE-73 Raider RGB 8RE
i7-8750H
16 Gb DDR
GTX 1060 6Gb
Windows 10 Pro 20H1

[Scotty]

I am running on linux and switched the game engine over to vulkan, and now the game won't start at all for me (well, i get the banner for 20 seconds and then it disappears).

[Jack-o-Lantern]

I've switchet to vulkan and all looks fine.... I'm using weird resolution as well.... 1920x1200 that's 16/10 that is quite uncommon.

Luckly all okey for me. Just somme dithering with moving pixel on some detail of containers.

[lt_delay]

Originally posted by Scotty:

I am running on linux and switched the game engine over to vulkan, and now the game won't start at all for me (well, i get the banner for 20 seconds and then it disappears).

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/3957#issuecomment-924174260
someone commented already on the proton git.
I guess there needs to be an update for proton.

[Chris Solomon]

Originally posted by Jack-o-Lantern:

I've switchet to vulkan and all looks fine.... I'm using weird resolution as well.... 1920x1200 that's 16/10 that is quite uncommon.

Luckly all okey for me. Just somme dithering with moving pixel on some detail of containers.

i did finally load up my previous savegame, and it took a minute and a half after teh save loaded for the textures to load up all the way, things like the label on the side of the rifle were all blurry for a bit until it finished loading or whatever. but things look good. no reduction in performance while playing using ULTRA settings. only complaint is the original issue. have been playing using windowed fullscreen, which i may have to just put up with for the time being. I will test clearing out the settings file and letting it regenerate to see if it solves the issue.

[sansee]

I managed to load a save or a new session with Vulkan only when I put everything on Medium (changing fullscreen vs not didn't help), cap @ 30fps and draw distance to near.

As soon as I put everything to high, cap @ 60 and draw distance to far it instantly crashed when I pressed saved.

Normally, everything is on ultra.

2700x
RTX480
16GB
16:10 monitor @1920x1200
Windows 10 LTSC 2019

EDIT: I finally got it to work by upping them one by one (while in-game) up to High and then Ultra again without any crashes. Strangely enough, now I can even start the game with everything on, except Shadows. As soon as I took Shadows from medium to high the gameworld instantly got this weird massive white flare. Other than that the game seems stable on Ultra, even after 3 restarts into a save or a new session. For how long... time will tell.

The game still shows a crash note when I close the game, though.

And, I have to say it one more time; the game is beautiful.

[Chris Solomon]

it could very well be that your issue is caused by you using the 2019 LTSC of windows 10. try using normal windows 10 build 19043 (version 21H1). it's possible that you are having issues becuase your system is does not have the latest updates. the LTSC is intended for business and server environments, not home or gaming setups.

[sansee]

Originally posted by Chris Solomon:

it could very well be that your issue is caused by you using the 2019 LTSC of windows 10. try using normal windows 10 build 19043 (version 21H1). it's possible that you are having issues becuase your system is does not have the latest updates. the LTSC is intended for business and server environments, not home or gaming setups.the LTSC is intended for business and server environments, not home or gaming setups.

Highly unlikely, never had any issues with LTSC before, and latest updates are not always for the better.

Others have gotten something similar too in Satisfactory when trying out Vulkan. In any case, as long as I don't have any problems with other games and as long as this game is in EA/EXP, that doesn't matter the slightest. In fact, I have gotten problems with other versions. I know very well what LTSC is (work as consultant), but it works really well even as a home and/or gaming rig as it is less bloated, but I digress as usual...

Besides, after continuing to experiment with the settings, shadows works well now on Ultra as well, but due to mods I'm going back to EA for the time being.

[Chris Solomon]

I don't know why you would want to use a version of windows that has been stripped of a good portion of it's features. I also question if your copy of Windows 10 Enterprise is legally licensed or not, since it is only available via volume license. also i believe 2019 LTSC is windows 10 1809 which had a number of issues that were only fixed in subsequent builds. some of those issues related to gaming and so on. this is related to the lack of updates to driver support and API's that normally get updated normal windows 10.

the bottom line is, LTSC is not meant for gaming

[sansee]

Originally posted by Chris Solomon:

I don't know why you would want to use a version of windows that has been stripped of a good portion of it's features.
the bottom line is, LTSC is not meant for gaming

First of all, it's through my job, so that's out of the way. It's quite normal for IT companies to retain copies of every version, and like it or not, even these companies have and even use slipstream/modified versions of Windows, at least internally among those who works there, so there's a grey area there, I'll give you that.

Many I know, including my own gf even uses the same version for both on her job computer and on her gaming computer, which I've both setup specifically. Haven't had a problems there either (in fact, there are countless more problems with Office 2019/365 regardless of what OS version one uses...).

(I'm definitely not promoting anything here, I'm just saying it as I've experienced through the years and based on what I know.)

Second, please tell me exactly which features I'm supposed to be "missing" since I've no problems with any games or anything else, and I've literally tried every versions that came after Win 3.11. Again, any modified version of Windows, or even enterprise versions works just fine and even better and more stable that a normal home/pro version, so that must be another Microsoft/internet myth or something.

I'm honestly curious because I'm quite picky of what I allow on my computers (even those I administrate), and yes, perhaps there is a feature that I've forgotten about and need it.

But, if it's like a fancy bar or a theme, xbox connection, media features one doesn't need (not to be confused with the N version) or like a spoiler on a car, then I'm definitely not interested. :)

[Chris Solomon]

well for one thing i believe your version of windows is missing the 'game mode' (settings>Gaming>Game Mode. there are oher features missing like the camera app as well as the the windows store. which means you probably don't have things like notepad, windows calculator, the latest version of powershell, and windows terminal. you might not want or even need the last two, but i find them handy to have around. also missing because ypu have no windows store are some extensions and fonts only availible from the store. things like the HEVC and MPEG2 codecs are obtained via the windows store. also missing is the features on demand function. edge is not present in your version of windows.

taken from a technet post -

"We might have some misunderstanding about Windows 10 LTSC 2019.

It is a specialized system version of Windows 10, not simply a tripped down version, but is designed to be used only for specialized devices (which typically don't run Office) such as those that control medical equipment, point-of-sale systems or ATM machines. So for the target environment, which is not necessary to use Microsoft Edge or other modern apps on it.

It’s more important that these devices be kept as stable and secure as possible than multiple function.

Windows 10 LTSC 2019 is also different with Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB which is a separate LTSC version.

Modern apps are not available to install or sideload on Windows 10 LTSC 2019 and Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB."

one last thought. I sincerly hope that you are not trying to run games on a computer given to you by your employer.....

[Chris Solomon]

i tried switching over to DX12 and the game did fullscreen properly. switched back to Vulkan, and Fullscreen was once again shown in a window.

[sansee]

Originally posted by Chris Solomon:

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All true, but none of them are important/essential. It's basically a lot of fluff, and one can integrate what ever one really needs or use alternatives.

Originally posted by Chris Solomon:

one last thought. I sincerly hope that you are not trying to run games on a computer given to you by your employer.....

It's custom built by myself. Besides, our teamleaders also likes to play once in a while too. ;)

But, this is getting off-topic from your original topic so I'm stopping it here.

[Chris Solomon]

I think you and i have different definitions of 'fluff' in this case

[Chris Solomon]

just finished a little experiment, to see whether or not the full screen showing in a window was possibly driver related or not. It does not appear to be the case.

I went into the nvidia control panel and instructed the software to use the 'integrated graphics' (the video thats on the CPU). I know it has Vulkan support, so I tried running Satisfactory using the Vulkan render-er. the game still booted up, but at a much lower fps (naturally). the game also showed full screen in a window like it did with the 'High Performance Nvidia Processor". so i believe this is a bug with Satisfactory, not a driver or any other kind of issue.

[Chris Solomon]

just found out I'm still running the previous version of the nvidia drivers. fortunately for me, it looks like GeForce Experience already downloaded the new version for me. I post back once the new version is installed and if i still am having the issue.