Is DX11 forever gone with the 1.0 Release of the game? Please keep it

[Dopey Shepard]

I tried DX12, the supposed "new" one, only to kill my framerate completely. I'm getting over 60 fps easily on HIGH settings, even on Map 3 (Lots of Grass on that one) with my RX 580, I don't want to be switching to DX12 permanently to play on lowest settings constantly sitting below 60 fps

The game is already quite gorgeous. Definitely most beautiful factory-themed game anywhere of them all (not like there's that many) and to have performance ruined for just slightly better visuals.... I'm not sure how to bear with that

It's not like I need to totally change my gpu... for an indie title, no offence

I'd definitely prefer if they kept the "deprecated" DX11 permanently as a choice in the game to get more frames, cuz I personally don't care about the whole "next gen" stuff. Not everyone has money to burn on a new line of GPUs


Please tell me that in 1.0 DX12 or Vulkan or whatever will at least improve the framerate or else idk how I'm gonna have to be playing it

On one hand, i cant wait until they release the SAM ore and stuff like that that isn't doing anything in the game, but on the other hand....

p.s. just tested at my base. The difference is quite enormous. The same save is showing me 47 fps on DX12, while on DX11 I'm getting 65. That kinda difference is so big I'm willing not to even look at the stuff DX12 brings to the table, which, I'm not even sure what it actually brings. The game looks almost the same. Definitely not worth doing DX12 in my case

Btw DX12 doesn't even utilize my GPU fully. My full utilization in some games reaches 145-148 watts (no manual overclock). On DX11 I get like 120-130 watts, on DX12 I get like 110-115, definitely lower usage of GPU (even though it shows 100% utilization in MSI Afterburner)

Bad optimization for sure

[Phoenix Cat]

Your running a 7 year old card. It supports DX12, but It's not gonna be the best. At some point gonna have to upgrade. Tech changes fast. Games just as fast. Sorry to say.

[cswiger]

There's only one map, so you presumably meant the third starting location.

Your GPU is new enough that it should run DX12 better than DX11, other things being equal. But maybe AMD/ATI isn't supporting 2017ish hardware with their latest drivers very well?

[Dopey Shepard]

Originally posted by cswiger:

There's only one map, so you presumably meant the third starting location.

Your GPU is new enough that it should run DX12 better than DX11, other things being equal. But maybe AMD/ATI isn't supporting 2017ish hardware with their latest drivers very well?

what do you mean one map? Desert is Desert, its not gonna any elements of 3rd or 2nd or 1st map in it, no?

And no, DX12 runs far worse for me than DX11, especially around base. On DX 11 the same save is giving me 65 fps while DX 12 is giving me 45-50. How do you figure that? My drivers are almost fully updated (late 2023 ones, 24 make me crash sometimes strangely enough)

[Dopey Shepard]

Originally posted by brnphoenix75:

Your running a 7 year old card. It supports DX12, but It's not gonna be the best. At some point gonna have to upgrade. Tech changes fast. Games just as fast. Sorry to say.

Jester take. Not surprised to see a "jester" already thrown there. Why? Cuz many people run old hardware. Have you checked steam hardware survey recently? Most people are still using old hardware like GTX 1060 which is even older than my RX 580 so what's your point? Most people aren't gonna spend an arm and a leg getting the new 4000 rtx line GPUs just to handle some 30$ indie game

Also, just because my gpu supports DX12 its not supposed to be better, I can literally vouch for the latter myself having tested both. DX 12 is much worse performance for me

[cswiger]

Originally posted by Dopey Shepard:

Originally posted by cswiger:

There's only one map, so you presumably meant the third starting location.

what do you mean one map? Desert is Desert, its not gonna any elements of 3rd or 2nd or 1st map in it, no?

No. All four starting locations are located on one big map:

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/World
https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map#3;50302;-7324|realisticLayer|;worldBorder;spawn

Your GPU is new enough that it should run DX12 better than DX11, other things being equal. But maybe AMD/ATI isn't supporting 2017ish hardware with their latest drivers very well?

And no, DX12 runs far worse for me than DX11, especially around base. On DX 11 the same save is giving me 65 fps while DX 12 is giving me 45-50. How do you figure that?

I figure that DX11 and DX12 rendering in Satisfactory are not drawing the same exact things anymore, not after the engine update.

[Wolfgang]

Originally posted by Dopey Shepard:

Originally posted by brnphoenix75:

Your running a 7 year old card. It supports DX12, but It's not gonna be the best. At some point gonna have to upgrade. Tech changes fast. Games just as fast. Sorry to say.

Jester take. Not surprised to see a "jester" already thrown there. Why? Cuz many people run old hardware. Have you checked steam hardware survey recently? Most people are still using old hardware like GTX 1060 which is even older than my RX 580 so what's your point? Most people aren't gonna spend an arm and a leg getting the new 4000 rtx line GPUs just to handle some 30$ indie game
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Also, just because my gpu supports DX12 its not supposed to be better, I can literally vouch for the latter myself having tested both. DX 12 is much worse performance for me

Last I checked the most used GPU is the RTX3060.

[Zak]

Originally posted by Dopey Shepard:

Jester take. Not surprised to see a "jester" already thrown there.

That's not a jester award, that's a funny award. Your OP just got a jester award :)

Originally posted by Dopey Shepard:

Bad optimization for sure

This deserves a jester award.

You can't expect game devs to stick to old tech because people like you can't or won't upgrade. Tech evolves, always have been and gaming is a hobby, not a necessity. Hobbies are sometimes expensive. Nobody forces you to upgrade your GPU, as nobody forces you to play games. Change your hobby maybe?

So don't attempt to play modern games and then go on forums complaining how terribly they run on your old hardware. Play older games or stop blaming devs for upgrading to the latest tech.

[Phoenix Cat]

Originally posted by Wolfgang:

Originally posted by Dopey Shepard:

Jester take. Not surprised to see a "jester" already thrown there. Why? Cuz many people run old hardware. Have you checked steam hardware survey recently? Most people are still using old hardware like GTX 1060 which is even older than my RX 580 so what's your point? Most people aren't gonna spend an arm and a leg getting the new 4000 rtx line GPUs just to handle some 30$ indie game
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Also, just because my gpu supports DX12 its not supposed to be better, I can literally vouch for the latter myself having tested both. DX 12 is much worse performance for me

Last I checked the most used GPU is the RTX3060.

I run a 3060, you can even get a 4060 for about the same price. I can run DX12 in 1080p all day long on high settings. I paid 300. For my card many years ago. So there are budget builds that will run todays games. And I'll take the free steam points. What I said was the truth. Zak said it perfectly.

[Ofca]

Originally posted by Dopey Shepard:

I tried DX12, the supposed "new" one, only to kill my framerate completely.

If you have some spare time and want to try something new, try running some Linux distro like Mint (should be familiar to bindows users from what I hear). You can launch it from USB stick if you don't want to commit, or install it on some spare SSD or smth.

It should "just work" on your hardware, no need for drivers or other legacy bindows trash.

Install steam, satisfactory works great with proton, and then see if things improve. You can also test Vulkan.

[Dopey Shepard]

Originally posted by Zak:

Originally posted by Dopey Shepard:

Jester take. Not surprised to see a "jester" already thrown there.

That's not a jester award, that's a funny award. Your OP just got a jester award :)

Originally posted by Dopey Shepard:

Bad optimization for sure

This deserves a jester award.

You can't expect game devs to stick to old tech because people like you can't or won't upgrade. Tech evolves, always have been and gaming is a hobby, not a necessity. Hobbies are sometimes expensive. Nobody forces you to upgrade your GPU, as nobody forces you to play games. Change your hobby maybe?

So don't attempt to play modern games and then go on forums complaining how terribly they run on your old hardware. Play older games or stop blaming devs for upgrading to the latest tech.

Well of course there is a jester, since you gave me one. Thanks for free points roflmao

Either way, my "bad optimization" point was in reference to the fact that my GPU is utilized more under DX11, maxxing at 130 watts compared to DX12 doing 115, either one is showing 100% load

DX12 is simply not good for my case, and that's that. There is just no arguing here. It's the same looking game that is just running worse under DX12. There is no "old tech", it's literally the same looking game. We haven't even seen the 1.0 release models yet so stop saying "old tech", that is senseless

No. All four starting locations are located on one big map:

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/World
https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map#3;50302;-7324|realisticLayer|;worldBorder;spawn

Allright, I see, thanks. I thought all 4 maps were bordered by impassable ocean or at least thats how it was before when I played, dunno

Originally posted by Wolfgang:

Originally posted by Dopey Shepard:

Jester take. Not surprised to see a "jester" already thrown there. Why? Cuz many people run old hardware. Have you checked steam hardware survey recently? Most people are still using old hardware like GTX 1060 which is even older than my RX 580 so what's your point? Most people aren't gonna spend an arm and a leg getting the new 4000 rtx line GPUs just to handle some 30$ indie game
s
Also, just because my gpu supports DX12 its not supposed to be better, I can literally vouch for the latter myself having tested both. DX 12 is much worse performance for me

Last I checked the most used GPU is the RTX3060.

maybe that got changed very recently. Not long ago most used gpu was still gtx 1060 and considering that gpu came out even before mine the age of them all doesn't really matter. I could have been sitting on gtx 1080 ti which has twice the power of my rx 580 and that gpu is old as well

Like, most people are running budget builds whether you like it or not. They may tell you all the beauties of ray tracing and some 4k or whatever other gimmick, but the reality is that less than 5-10% of the people on steam are gonna be using tech that even allows for that stuff

So my point is that I'd very much like to play a 30$ indie game at playable framerate without ruining it by switching to DX12 that as of right now, doesn't really give me any advantages ( I dont see any differences in-game) or else I'd have to lower my visuals to medium-low which makes textures, and grass look very ugly

There's gotta be some kind of compromise from CSS

[kimba-rip]

the map and it's borders haven't changed nor has the starting points...1 big map to explore with about 8 different zones.....

[Zak]

Originally posted by Dopey Shepard:

So my point is that I'd very much like to play a 30$ indie game at playable framerate without ruining it by switching to DX12 that as of right now,

Then upgrade your GPU :)

Originally posted by Dopey Shepard:

There's gotta be some kind of compromise from CSS

No. There isn't. DX11 is over 15 years old, DX12 has been out for around 5 years now so more and more games coming out around this time will support DX12 and more devs will be dropping DX11 in the near future. Your GPU is 7 years old. Upgrade your GPU or play older games and stop whining. There are many great older DX11 games that you probably haven't played. Stop insisting that the latest games must be made to support old hardware and old APIs. You KNOW this is not how this works, you 're just being obtuse for the sake of argument.

[Dopey Shepard]

Originally posted by Zak:

Originally posted by Dopey Shepard:

So my point is that I'd very much like to play a 30$ indie game at playable framerate without ruining it by switching to DX12 that as of right now,

Then upgrade your GPU :)

Originally posted by Dopey Shepard:

There's gotta be some kind of compromise from CSS

No. There isn't. DX11 is over 15 years old, DX12 has been out for around 5 years now so more and more games coming out around this time will support DX12 and more devs will be dropping DX11 in the near future. Your GPU is 7 years old. Upgrade your GPU or play older games and stop whining. There are many great older DX11 games that you probably haven't played. Stop insisting that the latest games must be made to support old hardware and old APIs. You KNOW this is not how this works, you 're just being obtuse for the sake of argument.

The fact that you believe it's about playing "older" games.... you are so wrong here. I've played newer games like RE4 remake without major issues

And again, you boil it down to gpu age which is just wrong. What if I were using 1080 ti which is even older? Would you have told me to switch too?

I can play many indie titles that got a 2023-2024 release just fine. It's this one that will be a struggle with DX12. I have a right to complain

And again, you are missing the point. I merely pointed out that CSS need to keep DX11 as a CHOICE, which I can switch to from default DX12. There is nothing wrong having multiple choices here, ok? If you don't like the idea of having an option for some people who might benefit from them, then I'm afraid I don't know how else to speak to you. You are the one here being ignorant for no reason



I guess after all we'll just see what the final release of the game is gonna look like and perform like cuz right now all I can see is the same-looking game using less of my GPU under DX12 which my GPU DOES support and having far worse performance

If this keeps going like this, I may as well opt into an old version of the game instead of 1.0 to play at playable framerate, if I at least have a choice to switch to it

[Ofca]

Originally posted by Zak:

Originally posted by Dopey Shepard:

So my point is that I'd very much like to play a 30$ indie game at playable framerate without ruining it by switching to DX12 that as of right now,

Then upgrade your GPU :)

Originally posted by Dopey Shepard:

There's gotta be some kind of compromise from CSS

No. There isn't. DX11 is over 15 years old, DX12 has been out for around 5 years now so more and more games coming out around this time will support DX12 and more devs will be dropping DX11 in the near future. [...] Upgrade your GPU.

Only thing worth upgrading is API used by the games. Instead of proprietary microsoft trash called directx, industry should just move on to Vulkan. Coffee Stain understands this judging by Vulkan support being in the game. Polaris aka RX580 should support this without any problems. That being said, I agree, that supporting DX11 is a waste of resources.

[Dopey Shepard]

Originally posted by Ofca:

Originally posted by Zak:

Then upgrade your GPU :)



No. There isn't. DX11 is over 15 years old, DX12 has been out for around 5 years now so more and more games coming out around this time will support DX12 and more devs will be dropping DX11 in the near future. [...] Upgrade your GPU.

Only thing worth upgrading is API used by the games. Instead of proprietary microsoft trash called directx, industry should just move on to Vulkan. Coffee Stain understands this judging by Vulkan support being in the game. Polaris aka RX580 should support this without any problems. That being said, I agree, that supporting DX11 is a waste of resources.

yeah but Vulkan isn't offering me any real benefits in my case. Why is it that I can play Vulkan titles like Doom Eternal just fine, with Vulkan actually benefitting AMD cards more than NVIDIA, but I can't benefit from it in this specific title? I can play many modern games just fine, indie or AAA, I'm only asking that they optimize the game better, nothing more. Don't forget the never-ending stuttering you would get in early releases of the game, it was flat out unplayable for me at that time. I waited and they finally fixed some stuff around and now I barely have any stuttering. Or do they think everyone is sitting on rtx 4090?