MOD Manager up&running!!

[Hiigara]

Thank you thank you thank you dead modders! A deep bow out of respect. Now i can start playing the 1.0 version!

[TheManiac]

Just out of curiosity, since i never played a modded Version: What keeps you from playing the unmodded 1.0? Or: What features did you miss to enjoy it?

[Zak]

But mods will take a while still to get updated. They started trickling in but it will be a while.

Originally posted by TheManiac:

Just out of curiosity, since i never played a modded Version: What keeps you from playing the unmodded 1.0? Or: What features did you miss to enjoy it?

I can play unmodded but there are mods that make a day and night difference in QoL such as Infinite Zoop, Infinite Nudge, Quick Save Hotkey, Destructible Deposits, Belt Throughput Counter and Limiter or the one that removes the Ultra Annoying Whale Penguin Something Thing from your sight or large blueprint mods. I have 200+ hours into vanilla 1.0 but it feels incomplete without mods.

Some things that were available as mods before, in some form, are now a part of the game too: belt-fed biomass burners, dimensional depot, teleporters, belt Mk6.

[Simofactory]

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[Khirareq]

Originally posted by TheManiac:

What features did you miss to enjoy it?

Smart! - It allows me to put down as many foundations as I want (Zoop on steroids ). It also allows me to "Zoop" buildings, and do things like "Zoop" splitters and mergers with a set distance apart. Just really helps me build things quickly

Powersuit - Gives me an exoframe, and a lot of modules I can research, build, and install, allowing me to move faster, have a proper flight mode, and a lot of other little QOL things. I like this mod as I still have to do stuff to get those things

I got a stack of others, but these two are the main. I can play without them, but with them I can get so much more done

[Wolfgang]

Just checked on the website and the Real Arachnophobia mode mod is updated and compatible with 1.0. Finally, getting rid of the spiders without any need of AGS again.

[Zak]

Originally posted by Wolfgang:

Just checked on the website and the Real Arachnophobia mode mod is updated and compatible with 1.0. Finally, getting rid of the spiders without any need of AGS again.

The one that removes Bean has also been (LOL) updated for 1.0.

[TheManiac]

Ah, thanks for clarifying. After my vanilla playthrough, i´ll give this a try. The Exoskeleton sounds nice

[NocheLuz]

TBH, this is why I don't play the modded version. Because once you dip into it, it'll be very hard to pull back.

Those QoLs or changes in the game are no joke.

[MetalDad]

Originally posted by TheManiac:

Ah, thanks for clarifying. After my vanilla playthrough, i´ll give this a try. The Exoskeleton sounds nice

It does. It's one of my favourite mods. Doesn't feel like a cheat, because there's a lot to do before you can take full advantage of it. It has it's own fuel type, which is pretty complex (at least for me) to make. But as said: A LOT of QoL stuff in this mod.
Unfortunately not yet updated afaik. So a little patience... ;)

[Zak]

Originally posted by NocheLuz:

TBH, this is why I don't play the modded version. Because once you dip into it, it'll be very hard to pull back.

True, because mods make you realize how many things a game is missing, what the game could have been. And it's easy to get used to good things. This is true for all games, not just this one. And I don't blame the devs (well, not *always*) as they can't possibly add every feature to the game and make everybody happy, or they'd never finish the game. The devs focus on the core game and the mods take care of the missing parts.

Originally posted by NocheLuz:

Those QoLs or changes in the game are no joke.

They are awesome, like I said, some were available as mods before, but not being able to nudge/move vertically or turn objects in smaller increments, as well as not being able to nudge *all" buildings is beyond ridiculous at this point in game's life.

[Zigamus Wizard]

Games that support modding are not 'lacking', they are almost always 'sandbox' games, that have the basics of a game, but often lack in the fine details; sorting functions, better building mechanics, ability to personalize your avatar, larger inventory, custom quests or missions, unique creatures, tougher combat, etc. This is as intended. The mods allow you to customize your game to as close as possible to the exact game you like best. This is a great boon to players! IMHO.

Also, there are sometimes 'exploits' that can be discovered in a game. Often this is the result of an added feature that happens to 'overlap' with something else in the game and create a potential to take advantage of the game. I am sure this is known to the Devs, but since the added feature seems to be important to the game and, it is not a competitive game, there is no risk of ruining the game because of it. With the AGS and mods it is obvious to me that they (the Devs) intended you to be able to adjust the game more to your liking.

As I have said many times, of other sandbox games;

"They give you the bucket and a shovel and all the sand, now it is up to YOU to design and create the sandcastles and adventures that YOU want to play".

This seems to be the best possible for a game, especially one that doesn't have an 'ending' (even after 'completing' the purpose of the game it allows you to continue playing).

[Zak]

Originally posted by Zigamus Wizard:

Games that support modding are not 'lacking',

Originally posted by Zigamus Wizard:

have the basics of a game, but often lack in the fine details

So, which one is it?

It's not just sandbox games though sandbox games are basically platforms for modding, yeah. Skyrim lacked a decent UI and had major issues related to VRAM and RAM usage that Bethesda never bothered fixing so SkyUI, SKSE and other mods basically saved the game and made it what it was. Many action and adventure games such as Witcher or Cyberpunk have tons of mods, lots of new armor, weapons, vehicles, new quests, new vendors, and lots more.

[TH3R4BB!T]

Bethesda counts on the support of mod-makers to make their games better, although Skyrim was 'good'. But also it gave me the feeling they became lazy. Hope they come with a good new chapter in the ES series, but hearing what they did with their lasted game.... it gives no hope they will do as a lot of new games do. Just give us a lot of... loading, at least Satisfactory is 'complete' and of course every player has wishes. Mods do add a lot of variety and mostly fulfill the wishes players have. Glad CSS didn;t lock the modding

[varset]

Kind of a silly question, but what is Zoop? I've seen it mentioned before and it sounds extremely useful, but I'm not quite sure what it does.

I've already finished 1.0 without mods, now I'm playing again, slowly, taking into account previous mistakes and missed opportunities. And of course I'll install mods.

[Zak]

Originally posted by varset:

Kind of a silly question, but what is Zoop? I've seen it mentioned before and it sounds extremely useful, but I'm not quite sure what it does.

When you place down a foundation you have few build options (R): default (click, single foundation), zoop (click and drag up to 10 foundations at once), vertical (like zoop, but vertical). Other buildables, like walls, frames and pillars also have zoop options but pillars zoop only vertically.