Fuel burn rate questions

[Mimaneneko]

So I've only set up normal fuel generators in the past and I mean way in the past, never touched turbo, but I'm actually giving it a shot now since you know... 1.0

I'm trying to do the math and think okay I'm getting 18.75/m of Turbo out the refineries so that should go to about 2.5 give or take gens but that doesn't add up with how people rave over how its so much more efficient. watch guides to see what isn't clicking for me, but as I'm looking at said videos people keep saying the burn rate for fuel is 12/m and Turbo burns at like 4.5/m. The issue is I look at the new overlay in the gens that say the burn rate is for standard fuel is 20/m and Turbo is 7.5/m.

So I think "Okay weird but whatever I'll check the official wiki", wiki says way back in 0.4 the fuel rate changed from 15 to 12, cool, scroll back up and I see 20/m again.....

Which one is right here? What part of the math am I dong wrong?

[Mimaneneko]

Nguyên văn bởi NocheLuz:

I haven't touched the new stuff yet and yes, I'm using the Diluted packaged fuel because it has the same output as using the Blender (but with extra setup). Maybe I should look into how to make rocket fuel since it'll use Turbo fuel anyway.

Last I saw it was like 6m^3 of Turbo and 1m^3 of Nitric I think for like 12 m^3 of Rocket and a number of I can't remember of compact as a byproduct?

something along the lines of that

[Fenix]

Nguyên văn bởi Mimaneneko:

Nguyên văn bởi Urtho Rashkae:

liquid bio - 20/min
fuel - 20/min
turbo - 7.5/min
rocket - 4.167/min
ion - 3/min

So is there any particular reason multiple content creators such as totalxclipse are saying 4.5 for Turbo when after all this time there has been no documented burn rate change (as far as I've been able to find) outside of the default fuel change in 0.4?

That's old value.
Fuel Gens increase from 150mw to 250mw
150mw/3 = 50mw
4.5m3/3 = 1.5m3
So 50mw is 1.5m3
50mw*5 = 250mw -- 1.5m3*5 = 7.5m3
Thus 250mw is 7.5m3 now
That is just an old video you are watching.

[Mimaneneko]

Nguyên văn bởi Fenix:

Nguyên văn bởi Mimaneneko:

So is there any particular reason multiple content creators such as totalxclipse are saying 4.5 for Turbo when after all this time there has been no documented burn rate change (as far as I've been able to find) outside of the default fuel change in 0.4?

That's old value.
Fuel Gens increase from 150mw to 250mw
150mw/3 = 50mw
4.5m3/3 = 1.5m3
So 50mw is 1.5m3
50mw*5 = 250mw -- 1.5m3*5 = 7.5m3
Thus 250mw is 7.5m3

I know they increased the power output of the gens but as im understand the way you explained this it was all kind of a giant monkies paw in the end then? or I guess they just crammed more generator into the generator so you dont have to build as many

[Fenix]

Nguyên văn bởi Mimaneneko:

I guess they just crammed more generator into the generator so you dont have to build as many

Correct
Same burn rate per MW just more power per Fuel Gen
Lower a gen to 150 mw, it will burn at 4.5m3

[Urtho Rashkae]

there is a limit to how many buildings we can place, and the different fuels act different.
before it was ketchup or mustard, now we have one for up fast, and another for hangtime.

[Mimaneneko]

really I guess I just wish they said they essentially just stacked almost another generator into another one, fuel cost and all so I wouldnt have started to lose my mind thinking I forgot how to do math or something

[Fenix]

Nguyên văn bởi Mimaneneko:

really I guess I just wish they said they essentially just stacked almost another generator into another one, fuel cost and all so I wouldnt have started to lose my mind thinking I forgot how to do math or something

Snutt did said it in one of the videos about upcoming changes, you just miss it.

[kLuns]

The energy rates stayed the same for all existing fuels, the only thing is the fuel gen got multiplied by 1+2/3 so that also went for the burn rates.

imo Turbo blend fuel is the only good turbo fuel recipe when it comes to resources and power demand.
The reason is that if you burn the coal you don't use in the blender recipe and make turbo fuel with the blender you get the most power out of the same bunch of oil, coal and sulfur.
Before Tier 7 diluted packaged fuel does the trick for me.

I recently setup an Ionized fuel factory and the byproduct compacted coal comes in handy to mix with diluted fuel to lower the oil demand. So this is the only reason (imo) to use the regular turbo fuel recipe.

When you make ionized fuel make sure you got the alternate to mix with dark crystals because it costs less power, resources and makes more byproduct to mix with fuel.

But the only real rule with a game is to have fun so don't forget that :)

I jumped into 1.0 with a 50GW diluted fuel/ turbo blend fuel plant and the only fix I had to do was underclocking some generators and removing a lot of them.

[Urtho Rashkae]

i think i have my byproduct compact coal feeding to a secondary turbo refinery on stock recipe with mustard..... yes i have the main running blend turbo and the second rocket fuel site using overflow turbo.

[Mimaneneko]

Nguyên văn bởi kLuns:

The energy rates stayed the same for all existing fuels, the only thing is the fuel gen got multiplied by 1+2/3 so that also went for the burn rates.

So then theoretically if I just drop the generators he used in the video by like 2/3's it should still all function the same then right?

[Fenix]

Nguyên văn bởi Mimaneneko:

Nguyên văn bởi kLuns:

The energy rates stayed the same for all existing fuels, the only thing is the fuel gen got multiplied by 1+2/3 so that also went for the burn rates.

So then theoretically if I just drop the generators he used in the video by like 2/3's it should still all function the same then right?

without doing the math, that's pretty close, maybe not exactly 2/3

[Mimaneneko]

Nguyên văn bởi Fenix:

Nguyên văn bởi Mimaneneko:

So then theoretically if I just drop the generators he used in the video by like 2/3's it should still all function the same then right?

without doing the math, that's pretty close, maybe not exactly 2/3

so probably like 5/8's then I imagine to be on the safer side

[RadioIesbian Fluid]

Nguyên văn bởi Mimaneneko:

Nguyên văn bởi Urtho Rashkae:

liquid bio - 20/min
fuel - 20/min
turbo - 7.5/min
rocket - 4.167/min
ion - 3/min

So is there any particular reason multiple content creators such as totalxclipse are saying 4.5 for Turbo when after all this time there has been no documented burn rate change (as far as I've been able to find) outside of the default fuel change in 0.4?

Fuel powerplants were buffed in 1.0 so you get more power and a higher burn rate. its still same power/fuel but you need to build fewer power plants now. I assume that what you're referencies is content from before 1.0 released.

[kLuns]

Nguyên văn bởi Fenix:

Nguyên văn bởi Mimaneneko:

So then theoretically if I just drop the generators he used in the video by like 2/3's it should still all function the same then right?

without doing the math, that's pretty close, maybe not exactly 2/3

That's exactly why you should do the math
250/150 = (1+2/3)
150/250 = 0,6