Do you "cheat" with a fly mod in Standard Mode?

[Hooch]

Curious if most people who play Standard Mode use a mod for flying or just stick with unlocking the technology eventually.

I've done both, currently a new run in Standard w/ no mods. But it can be frustrating at times. I'm trying to be as patient as possible with it.

But is that being unreasonable? Do you go straight to a fly mod when you play or do you play with the challenge of no flying until it is unlocked?

[DisTer]

To each their own, but let's face it, anything beside vanilla is cheating.

That said, who care? It's a pve game, with mods available. If anything looks tedious then it's fine to look for a solution.

Not like you're streaming and pretending to play pure vanilla while not.

For me I tend to avoid mods as It ruins the feeling of progression (you EARNED that jetpack). But in the other hand I most likely won't keep playing once I'll finish the game (all the tiers, the story).

[Zak]

I started using Flight Mode for building before it was even added to AGS, there was a console command. I can't stand building in first person mode, too tedious and too frustrating. I tried the lookout towers and what not and the hover pack is too wobbly. I wish there was a build camera like in No Man's Sky. I use vehicles for moving around though, trying not to use Flight Mode besides building.

It's a non-competitive game, so there is no cheating, and whatever helps you enjoy the game is reasonable.

[Zak]

Originally posted by DisTer:

anything beside vanilla is cheating.

That just your opinion.

[DisTer]

Originally posted by Zak:

Originally posted by DisTer:

anything beside vanilla is cheating.

That just your opinion.

No, that's just a plain fact.

I wonder how you can believe otherwise, but feel free to elaborate.

[Zak]

Originally posted by DisTer:

Originally posted by Zak:

That just your opinion.

No, that's just a plain fact.

I wonder how you can believe otherwise, but feel free to elaborate.

No, it's not a plain fact. It's only your opinion. Who am I cheating when using mods? Who loses when I use mods? Who am I getting an edge over with mods? Where is the competition?

In competitive multiplayer, yeah, there can be cheating. There is no cheating a singpleplayer games. There is no law that says I have to play the game the way it was designed. People customize cars and bikes, why do you think customizing games for your own use is "cheating"?

[Cheesecake]

Originally posted by DisTer:

Originally posted by Zak:

That just your opinion.

No, that's just a plain fact.

I wonder how you can believe otherwise, but feel free to elaborate.

Again that is your opinion. You can not cheat in a single player game. Cheating implies gaining an advantage over OTHER players. There are no other players hence there is no possibility of cheating.

There are no leader boards nor rankings of any kind.

I think that qualifies as elaborating.

[werwolfgaming]

Originally posted by cboath11:

Originally posted by DisTer:

No, that's just a plain fact.

I wonder how you can believe otherwise, but feel free to elaborate.

Again that is your opinion. You can not cheat in a single player game. Cheating implies gaining an advantage over OTHER players. There are no other players hence there is no possibility of cheating.

There are no leader boards nor rankings of any kind.

I think that qualifies as elaborating.

A quick google search would reveal its more defined as "Cheating in a video game means gaining an advantage beyond normal gameplay" as such u can cheat in single player games

[Bedna]

I try to play the game as the devs intended it to be played, so no, I wait until I have researched equipment that gives me a birds-eye view.

As for the strange discussion about "cheating", ask yourself this.
Is "up up, down down, left right, left right, b a" a cheat code or not? xD

[Hooch]

The focus of my question wasn't whether or not it was considered cheating. I did put "cheat" in quotes for that reason.

I just wanted to know whether or not most players use some sort of fly mod in Standard mode instead of the built-in travel systems.

[Zak]

Yeah, I know that definition:

"Cheating in video games involves a video game player using various methods to create an advantage beyond normal gameplay, usually in order to make the game easier."

What if someone uses mods to make the game "different" not "easier"? Mods even exists that make games harder. Also, AGS is built into the game so that's "cheating" too?

"Anything beside vanilla is cheating" is just utter nonsense.

[No, I'm not, You are!]

Originally posted by Zak:

Originally posted by DisTer:

No, that's just a plain fact.

I wonder how you can believe otherwise, but feel free to elaborate.

No, it's not a plain fact. It's only your opinion. Who am I cheating when using mods? Who loses when I use mods? Who am I getting an edge over with mods? Where is the competition?

In competitive multiplayer, yeah, there can be cheating. There is no cheating a singpleplayer games. There is no law that says I have to play the game the way it was designed. People customize cars and bikes, why do you think customizing games for your own use is "cheating"?

By definition, you ARE cheating when you use anything that gives you an advantage over normal gameplay. And in the case of your argument, 'you' are the one being cheated on, you are cheating yourself. Nobody is telling you how to play, indeed there are now laws. But just realize that you are cheating when you stray from the path in order to give yourself an advantage. I'm unsure why you have such a hard time admitting to this :)

For example: I personally changed the setting to NOT lose my inventory on death. That means I now have given myself an advantage, other than the devs intended in the default setting. So therefor I am cheating. See how easy that was? :) I am a cheater. Now you try!

[Fuhrer]

It's always funny to see the people desperately going through mental gymnastics to try to claim they're not cheating. Even if it's a situation like this where it really doesn't matter one way or another, some people have such fragile pride and egos that they lose it over the prospect of acknowledging they cheated.

Originally posted by Hooch:

The focus of my question wasn't whether or not it was considered cheating. I did put "cheat" in quotes for that reason.

I just wanted to know whether or not most players use some sort of fly mod in Standard mode instead of the built-in travel systems.

No, obviously not. The vast majority of all players of any game don't use mods.

[RabidHobbit]

No, I don't add any flying. I'm brand new to this game and only just finished Tier 4, but I have no intention to add flying just to make building easier. There are lookout towers early on in the game for a reason.

It was fun realizing that building is so much easier when you do it from tower. Before that it was more of a struggle. Going from method A to method B was a fun experience for me.

[Rootimus]

Originally posted by Hooch:

I just wanted to know whether or not most players use some sort of fly mod in Standard mode instead of the built-in travel systems.

I use it because my brain needs to use a top-down view when placing machines. Then I end up slacking and using it to move around because it's faster. I also research all the tech for jetpacks and what have you and try to use them, but get frustrated with the inability to fly around the whole map.

Still on update 8 as I like mods, so I'm currently playing with the Power Suit mod. It'll mean more research and build chains, but it sounds like I can fly around for as long as I have fuel, which is ideal for me.

[Mojo]

Originally posted by Fuhrer:

The vast majority of all players of any game don't use mods.

I don't think that is a fact... Steams workshops and sites dedicated to hosting mods alone suggest otherwise