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Odb718 Sep 21, 2024 @ 9:09pm
Who sucked at programming the valves/pipes?
Anyone else notice this?
I set a valve to 30whateveryouwanttocallit a min. and on the other side of the valve it's doing more than that. The source of the valve is doing half of it. If the valves flow rate is limited, and it IS a valve, the source before it CANNOT spike past it's limit.
The best part of this, is the fluid buffer I have above ALL of my tubes says it has a drain rate. It spikes. It spikes up to over 100 m/3 a min. The exit refinery is OFF and all of the tubes connected to it are 100% filled. AND I have 4 plastic factories adding to it.
Who did this?

If you turn on the exit refinery, somehow the source pipelines get air in them.
Why on MASSAGE-2(A-B)b are the refineries pumping air into the pipes??!??!
Or are you imagining that air went from the fuel refinery, UP to the fluid buffer, then DOWN to the heavy oil refinery???????

This whole system is complete garbage.
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Huren Ogeko Sep 21, 2024 @ 9:15pm 
The valve is doing its job. what you have going on is some sloshing back and forth in the pipe past the valve. there is a guide someone made and I think posted to reddit. I dont know what version they are up to that guide has all the tricks and things you need to know to make fluids do the things you want and avoid it doing the things you dont want.
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NocheLuz Sep 21, 2024 @ 9:17pm 
The water moves around in the pipe and buffers until it stops. So, yeah, as long as the buffer has some fluid in it, it'll flow out at about 60 m3 flow rate. It'll take some time until it is stable. But it'll flow out both ways until you place a valve to prevent it from going out of the input pipe (backfilling the input).

The fluid mechanic in this game is kind of hard to understand. But once you know how it works, you can either make a workaround to make it work perfectly, or build it in a way that prevents it from breaking.

As a side note, the factory will get any fluid that is in the pipe input and will flush any fluid in the output. As long as there is space in the pipe.
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King6Joker7 Sep 21, 2024 @ 9:21pm 
Its not the System it is your setup. What you are dealing with is Hammering and flow rate, This is nothing New and is Intended By the Devs, Do some Research before spewing nonsense.

Only Major Bug with Fluids is the MK.2 Bug (Which is a Known Issue) also the more Valves, Pumps, Floor holes, and junctions, and pipe segments you have the more problems you will run into... So tired of people complaining about Sloshing Fluids like it is a Bug, No That is how liquids Behave.... Here You Go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U8t8J4fAXE
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Odb718 Sep 21, 2024 @ 9:34pm 
I just timed the heavy oil refinery. it does "10 per minute". It's 55 seconds.
I have 4 plastic/heavy oil factories doing 10 and the fuel refinery is doing 30. The fluid buffer is 80% filled and there's air in the pipelines.
The whole set up is a lie. The physics and the math aren't working out. I cant be pumping out MORE than what's needed and not have 100% in the lines.
They seem to have programmed their liquid(s) more like a heavy gas.

NocheLuz, I'm not exactly sure what you mean with your last sentence. My observations say that's a lie. You can watch a dead-end pipe have "flow back" into the factory. But the factory will still say it's got 0 "fuel" in it. It just flows in an out of the aether I guess.

They need to make a check valve.
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Paragon Sep 21, 2024 @ 9:35pm 
Originally posted by King6Joker7:
Its not the System it is your setup. What you are dealing with is Hammering and flow rate, This is nothing New and is Intended By the Devs, Do some Research before spewing nonsense.

Only Major Bug with Fluids is the MK.2 Bug (Which is a Known Issue) also the more Valves, Pumps, Floor holes, and junctions, and pipe segments you have the more problems you will run into... So tired of people complaining about Sloshing Fluids like it is a Bug, No That is how liquids Behave.... Here You Go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U8t8J4fAXE

This
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Huren Ogeko Sep 21, 2024 @ 9:36pm 
Once your pipes are full this problem will go away. its not pumping more then you want its just sloshing back and forth in the pipe beyond the valve. Its always best to let the pipes full up before turning on machines that consume the fluid. As a full pipe can slosh back and forth.
as for check valves. The normal valve as well as all the pipe line pumps will act as a one way check valve just by their nature. Bear in mind that using a pump will reset your headlift which may or may not be a good thing.
Last edited by Huren Ogeko; Sep 21, 2024 @ 9:38pm
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Odb718 Sep 21, 2024 @ 9:42pm 
King6Joker7 I found the problem with this guy's thinking. 10:10 in that video he says the spliter/junction/joiner pipeline junctions kicks "300 goes here, 300 goes here, 150, 150"
THATS NOT HOW THINGS WORK ON EARTH.
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Huren Ogeko Sep 21, 2024 @ 9:43pm 
I am pretty sure we are not on earth in this game. your physics may vary.
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NocheLuz Sep 21, 2024 @ 9:46pm 
Originally posted by Odb718:
King6Joker7 I found the problem with this guy's thinking. 10:10 in that video he says the spliter/junction/joiner pipeline junctions kicks "300 goes here, 300 goes here, 150, 150"
THATS NOT HOW THINGS WORK ON EARTH.

Are you gonna talk about the game or the real world?

No game is perfect, you have to accept the game mechanic if you want to play this game.

Also, the air in the pipe is quite normal just thinking about the vacuum in the pipe already gives me a nightmare in real life.
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curtyuiop Sep 21, 2024 @ 9:46pm 
Imagine a simulated fluid dynamics system that is very close to real life, it is in this game yfi, it is you that needs to delete and rebuild that piece of ♥♥♥♥ system you're trying to keep.
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King6Joker7 Sep 21, 2024 @ 9:54pm 
Originally posted by Odb718:
King6Joker7 I found the problem with this guy's thinking. 10:10 in that video he says the spliter/junction/joiner pipeline junctions kicks "300 goes here, 300 goes here, 150, 150"
THATS NOT HOW THINGS WORK ON EARTH.

BUT YOU ARE NOT ON EARTH, YOU ARE ON MASSAGE-2(A-B)b
Now as ADA would Say "COMPLY"
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Odb718 Sep 21, 2024 @ 9:55pm 
Nice back-tracking guys.
The only time you get air at the bottom of a pipe is if something lower brought the air.
Huren Ogeko, you can put two valves on a long pipe and see that they dont act as check valves.
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Huren Ogeko Sep 21, 2024 @ 9:59pm 
This game doesnt really have a mechanic for air in the pipe. its just fluid and nothing more. if the pipe isnt full then there is no air in there..just the fluid and a void in the part of the pipe with no fluid.
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King6Joker7 Sep 21, 2024 @ 10:02pm 
Originally posted by Odb718:
Nice back-tracking guys.
The only time you get air at the bottom of a pipe is if something lower brought the air.
Huren Ogeko, you can put two valves on a long pipe and see that they dont act as check valves.

Look we just trying to help, take it or leave it, its a Game not IRL
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Odb718 Sep 21, 2024 @ 10:11pm 
Well, they need to fix this crappy system. The pipe system is completely broken compared to the Belts.
If you upgrade or downgrade your belts, what happens to the items on it?
If you upgrade or downgrade your pipeline, what happens to the gas/fluid inside it?

They said they hit 1.0 and the pipes are still busted.
You cannot have a pipe that lifts upward to a full fluid buffer have air/vacuum/void/whatever in it.

Not sure how you guys produce your electricity, but I need my oil smoothed out for my particle accelerator.
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