My Fluids are not working...

[Specter]

...and it is driving me insane.

I have one pure Oil source max clocked, so 600m³ per minute.
I have 20 Refineries getting thet oil via a manifold system.
The pipe goes straight at any giving point.

One Refinerie needs 30m³ oil. 20 x 30 is 600 Oil!
Once some of the Refineries are "full" the system should work just fine.

But no matter what i do, the last 3 Refineries always go on and off, they dont get the needed oil.

I have treid:
-Waiting (its a manifold system after all)
-Adding valves and/ore pumps in between
-building an oil roundabout with valves
-splitting the Oil at ther very start and inserting half of it at the very end. This results in 3 Refineries in the middle not working
-Adding Silos
-Switching mashines on and off, even for longer
-Swithing of the first 5 mashines did nothing. As if the Oil just gets tired after to many Pipes.
-Praying to the mashine spirit

Nothing works. It is realy frustrating. Is is not a huge Deal now. I have over 20.000W if it drops down to 16-18.000 for a bit is will not do any harm, but im realy scared of any work with refineries now that include fluid byproducts.

All my mashines usiing ores are running fine, even with the manifold system.

Help me. This is not satisfaction at all.

[ждун]

what pipe did you use? MK1 or MK2?

[varset]

I have the same story. I don't understand how it works, and simple math doesn't help, probably algebra and knowledge of Bernoulli and Poiseuille's Laws are needed.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/526870/discussions/0/4845399746425880349/

[ждун]

I don't know I have no problems. What I calculate usually works well.

I had one time after 1.0 issues with a pipe, it turned out that one single pipe segment was buggy blocking the flow. It was just a short segment in the middle of a long pipe. Replacing it fixed that issue for me.

[BierPizzaChips]

I made good experiences having the main distribution pipe as MK2 and the last bit going of that main pipe to the consuming machine as MK1.

[Acecool]

Do this simple trick: https://steamcommunity.com/id/Acecool/screenshot/2479883856038022554/

Oil is fully overclocked 600 m^3 per.

It goes over 2 4m walls and into a fluid buffer. Valve, then a chain into 4 refineries to turn into fuel.

Out of that over 2x4m walls in a line, valve into a buffer. Then all of the generators are connected to one another with a connector in the middle and a line run from that all the way down. Do not turn them on until the pipes are fully primed and the tank is about half full.

I have 8 fuel generators on 400 fuel at 50 use each max overclock. 100% efficiency.

https://steamcommunity.com/id/Acecool/screenshot/2479883856036253898/
https://steamcommunity.com/id/Acecool/screenshot/2479883856036205349/
https://steamcommunity.com/id/Acecool/screenshot/2479883856036205110/


Resin is on a belt connected to smart splitter. Overflow is sunk. Otherwise in a chest. Chest is processed into fabric. Same deal, overflow is sunk. Chest from that is processed into 2 types of filters.

Use the built in 10m headlift to your advantage.

[Specter]

Originally posted by ждун:

what pipe did you use? MK1 or MK2?

MK2 did not make this mistake.

[Specter]

Originally posted by Acecool:

Do this simple trick: https://steamcommunity.com/id/Acecool/screenshot/2479883856038022554/

Oil is fully overclocked 600 m^3 per.

It goes over 2 4m walls and into a fluid buffer. Valve, then a chain into 4 refineries to turn into fuel.

Out of that over 2x4m walls in a line, valve into a buffer. Then all of the generators are connected to one another with a connector in the middle and a line run from that all the way down. Do not turn them on until the pipes are fully primed and the tank is about half full.

I have 8 fuel generators on 400 fuel at 50 use each max overclock. 100% efficiency.

https://steamcommunity.com/id/Acecool/screenshot/2479883856036253898/
https://steamcommunity.com/id/Acecool/screenshot/2479883856036205349/
https://steamcommunity.com/id/Acecool/screenshot/2479883856036205110/


Resin is on a belt connected to smart splitter. Overflow is sunk. Otherwise in a chest. Chest is processed into fabric. Same deal, overflow is sunk. Chest from that is processed into 2 types of filters.

Use the built in 10m headlift to your advantage.

Guess i might as well try this. My Pipe at the start of my manifold system is completly full tho, 600m³.

[Acecool]

That's fine. You want all of the pipes full. On another system my smaller buffers are 100% full and I use recycled water in that system with no issue. Go up and over using vertical mode. I have yet to encounter any issues doing this.

Wait to connect your generators to power until you have it all set up, or just set them to standby. Once the pipes are primed and your buffer is at a good level.. start them up. They should be set and forget if everything is load balanced and any byproducts are taken care of.

On my current fuel generators my buffer is 1400 of 2400 full. That's just where I started my generators up though.

[Aranador]

Did you upgrade pipe from 1 to 2 at any point, or add junctions on top of existing pipe at any point? If so, delete all pipes, but leave the junctions and any supports, then reconnect all the things with fresh pipe.

[Fuhrer]

Better ask your doctor about that one.

[Specter]

Originally posted by Aranador:

Did you upgrade pipe from 1 to 2 at any point, or add junctions on top of existing pipe at any point? If so, delete all pipes, but leave the junctions and any supports, then reconnect all the things with fresh pipe.

No i did not, i did replaced most pipes anyway.

Originally posted by Acecool:

That's fine. You want all of the pipes full. On another system my smaller buffers are 100% full and I use recycled water in that system with no issue. Go up and over using vertical mode. I have yet to encounter any issues doing this.

Wait to connect your generators to power until you have it all set up, or just set them to standby. Once the pipes are primed and your buffer is at a good level.. start them up. They should be set and forget if everything is load balanced and any byproducts are taken care of.

On my current fuel generators my buffer is 1400 of 2400 full. That's just where I started my generators up though.

I only mentioned the fulliness so no one would asume a pressure issue right at the start of my pipe thats all.
Regarding your another advice i will try this tomorow. Its 5AM and im still sitting here, this game is not good for me.
I Apreciate everyone who answered, great community. Hopefully i can make it work tomorow.

[Jack Sparrow]

You've messed something up somewhere, every fluid I've delt with has worked fine.

One tip i have for you, when you're testing the system, underlock all the refineries to the lowest setting to let them all pre load with fluid, then set them all back to 100%, then you can monitor the manifold properly, otherwise youve got 20 refineries constantly pulling more water which will have the last few taking like half an hour to fill up .

[NocheLuz]

How long did you wait? Do you know that as long as the Refinery works all the time, the last Refinery in line would have only very little oil come to them?

If you want, just stop some of the first few refineries and let them SLOWLY fill up the last few refineries. Or you can put a pipe junction at the start of the pipe and connect them to the middle of the line and either put the valve to prevent it backfilling or disconnect it from the first few Refinery. Basically instead of a single long 600 m3, you divide it into two 300 m3 to have them refill more Refinery.

[scaarab]

Originally posted by Specter:

Originally posted by ждун:

what pipe did you use? MK1 or MK2?

MK2 did not make this mistake.

It did for me, as I upgraded my powerplant to mk2, the game filled random segments with water, killing my entire base half a map away.

[NocheLuz]

My experience with upgrading my Coal power of 300 m3 to 600 m3 water per minute.

- Upgrade the Water extractor first (to a total of 600 m3). Then upgrade the pipe, and overclock the Coal generator. Catastrophic Failure, half of the Coal generator stops working it takes almost 30 minutes for it to stabilize again. It is still not full though, only stable. It still stops working sometime afterward but quickly gets back up.

- Upgrade the pipe first. Then upgrade the Water extractor, and overclock the Coal Generator. Some of the Coal stops working for a second before getting back up in about 1 minute and quickly stabilizes. No Catastrophic Failure, all Coal power runs smoothly.

It is the same system, why does upgrading order matter? The thing is, fluid will only travel to the next section if there is fluid in the previous one. The flow rate also works the same. If you want to have your pipes work perfectly, have them stabilize first.

The first one, I overclock the Coal generator too quickly. The pipe just gets upgraded and will take time for the water from the extractor to reach 600 m3. So it'll run 300 m3 at first and since I already overclocked the Coal Generator, the Water is not enough. Thus the Failure.

The second, because I upgraded the pipe first, it was ready for 600 m3 before I upgraded the Extractor. This led the flow rate to come to 600 m3 and filled all the pipes while I was overclocking the Coal Generators. Basically, it runs at 600 m3 faster than the first one.