Is my math correct? (rocket fuel)

[Edmund Greyfox]

Just got done setting up a line to produce 900 rocket fuel/min that's split into two pipes carrying 450 each. 450 / 4.1667 min per generator=107.99 generators per pipe, or 43.19 per pipe if i overclock all the generators to 250%? I just want to make sure I'm not missing something before i slap down any more generators.

[Zigamus Wizard]

Pipes work best when FULL, just keep that in mind.

[GeminiEclipse]

The math looks fine to me.

[Edmund Greyfox]

Originally posted by Zigamus Wizard:

Pipes work best when FULL, just keep that in mind.

So you suggest splitting it so one pipe is 600 and the other 300? I suppose i could take the longer pipe and make a U turn to bring it back along the 3rd/4th row of generators so that all 4 rows stay symmetrical.

[Zigamus Wizard]

And also at the end of a manifold make a loop and connect the far end back to the source end, this helps to equalize the flow rates.

Do you ever use a 'water tower' to keep up the head pressure up and greatly reduce the need for pumps?

[McCloud]

Originally posted by Zigamus Wizard:

And also at the end of a manifold make a loop and connect the far end back to the source end, this helps to equalize the flow rates.

Do you ever use a 'water tower' to keep up the head pressure up and greatly reduce the need for pumps?

Rocket Fuel is a gas. None of that is required.

[Edmund Greyfox]

Originally posted by Zigamus Wizard:

And also at the end of a manifold make a loop and connect the far end back to the source end, this helps to equalize the flow rates.

Do you ever use a 'water tower' to keep up the head pressure up and greatly reduce the need for pumps?

I haven't needed to yet, though I've read about doing it.

[Zigamus Wizard]

Head pressure comes from TWO sources, Pumps and Gravity. Making a water tower you only have to use pumps in the one location to get the water up and over the top, no fluid buffer needed, from there on, ALL over your map you are getting head pressure from Gravity and it is 'sourced' higher than any other pipes on your map, so no more pumps needed. This is the impression I have been given and so far all my pipe work as had no issues at all.
This is not just for water, any fluid! (though each different fluid network will need to have such a 'water' tower installed.)

[RadioIesbian Fluid]

Originally posted by Edmund Greyfox:

Just got done setting up a line to produce 900 rocket fuel/min that's split into two pipes carrying 450 each. 450 / 4.1667 min per generator=107.99 generators per pipe, or 43.19 per pipe if i overclock all the generators to 250%? I just want to make sure I'm not missing something before i slap down any more generators.

you can overclock fuel gens to 240%/600MW, and then they will consume exactly 10/min of rocket fuel. Makes the math a little easier. Each 450 pipe will need 45 fuel gens then.

[kLuns]

Yes your math is off.

450/ (4+1/6) = 108 :)

You was very close :)

Originally posted by Edmund Greyfox:

Originally posted by Zigamus Wizard:

Pipes work best when FULL, just keep that in mind.

So you suggest splitting it so one pipe is 600 and the other 300? I suppose i could take the longer pipe and make a U turn to bring it back along the 3rd/4th row of generators so that all 4 rows stay symmetrical.

A pipe has to be full of content, not flow rate.

108/2,5 = 43,2
So you need 44 generators when you want the minimum buildings
40 at 250%
4 at 200%

Don't listen to the fluid stories.

Originally posted by McCloud:

Rocket Fuel is a gas. None of that is required.

[Seagle]

Originally posted by Edmund Greyfox:

Just got done setting up a line to produce 900 rocket fuel/min that's split into two pipes carrying 450 each. 450 / 4.1667 min per generator=107.99 generators per pipe, or 43.19 per pipe if i overclock all the generators to 250%? I just want to make sure I'm not missing something before i slap down any more generators.

I recently set up a rocket fuel plant myself and it was a bit of a pain but not too bad. I was producing around 2520m^3/min of rocket fuel which could power somewhere around 241.9..... when overclocked.
I had about 4 floors of generators and had some issues with the pipes getting full when the pipe that was moving the liquid directly up was at the same height as the manifold. As you can probably interpret the solution from here already i changed it so the pipes went all the way to the top slightly above the top floor manifold and then just connected each or the floors from top to bottom. Now i have a consistent 150 gigawatts of power.
I'm not sure if they fixed it in the 1.0 release just yet as well but power that is based on pipes i typically make slightly more liquid than what im consuming because it can be a bit figgity. So instead of powering 241.9... generators Im powering 240 generators. Its not going to waste though as i have the extra 1.9 geneators worth of rocketfuel making packaged rocket fuel for the jetpack at a rate of 1.75 generators instead.

[Zigamus Wizard]

Originally posted by Seagle:

Originally posted by Edmund Greyfox:

Just got done setting up a line to produce 900 rocket fuel/min that's split into two pipes carrying 450 each. 450 / 4.1667 min per generator=107.99 generators per pipe, or 43.19 per pipe if i overclock all the generators to 250%? I just want to make sure I'm not missing something before i slap down any more generators.

I recently set up a rocket fuel plant myself and it was a bit of a pain but not too bad. I was producing around 2520m^3/min of rocket fuel which could power somewhere around 241.9..... when overclocked.
I had about 4 floors of generators and had some issues with the pipes getting full when the pipe that was moving the liquid directly up was at the same height as the manifold. As you can probably interpret the solution from here already i changed it so the pipes went all the way to the top slightly above the top floor manifold and then just connected each or the floors from top to bottom. Now i have a consistent 150 gigawatts of power

This is proof of the Gravity effect on head pressure, thank you Seagle!

[Ultima]

Maths are correct, 900 rocket/minute = 43.2 generators at 250%.
More precisely: 43 at 250%, and 1 at 50%.

Also, not sure why you should use a water pump or anything, just build your factory on a plane fundation. It takes a fews minutes to spare the fuel over the generators, not really a problem I assume ?

Building in higher floors shouldn't have issues either if you just use a pump. I built around 80 generators, 40 in a floor (no pump needed), 40 in a higher floor (1 pump needed): after some minutes every generators were full, no issue at all, just took time to fullfil pipes.

[Edmund Greyfox]

I did end up using two water pumps on the lines from the extractors because i had to raise the pipe up to run on top of the pipe bringing in the HOR pipe that was feeding my blenders. Might not have actually needed them, but I figured it was better to waste a little power than risk the whole things breaking down later.

For the record, this was all built on a single level platform that stretched out into the ocean on the central west side of the map where there is a whole cluster of oil nodes along the coast. The build itself wasn't all the difficult- it was getting all the other things i needed like coal/sulfur/nitrogen moved to the build site that really ate up my time.

Turns out that i should have been less worried about my math and more worried about double checking that I had enough Nitrogen coming in. I went to add the last 20ish generators this morning and found half the line shut down because i had forgotten to overclock the Nitrogen pressurizer and had only hooked up one the Nitrogen extractors to the pipe, so my build that needed 450 Nitrogen/min was only getting 120. That's fixed now, and once i connect that last few generators i should have more than enough power for the rest of the game.

Finally, thanks to everyone that responded. It's appreciated.

[Tinytim]

Honestly, easiest way to ensure that the pipes are full is to not use the absolute max capacity of your setup. Since your setup can support 108 generators, if you only use 107, e.g. underclocking the last one on each line, you'll slowly build up to having pipes capped at all times. Sure, you sacrifice a percentage of your output, but you never have to worry about weird pipe physics.

[Dinonoms]

I don't get why people still keep talking about pumps and stuff ..

Rocket Fuel is a GAS and doesn't need headlift