What are the "best" alt recipes and why?

[Maehlice]

Top 1, top 10, top 50. Whatever fancies your tickle.

[Ryzilynt]

Originally posted by Evilsod:

Originally posted by Ryzilynt:

Sure, I didn't mention the nitrogen , the coal, the sulfur or the water either...

Neither did I. Stop being whiny. Somersloops are a rather important thing to mention when you bring up input/output.

OP asked my opinion of which alternates I think are best.

I provided my top 3 , and MY reason.

Settle down.

[Evilsod]

Originally posted by Ryzilynt:

OP asked my opinion of which alternates I think are best.

I provided my top 3 , and MY reason.

Settle down.

I'm not questioning your opinion, those 3 are very strong recipes.
Diluted Fuel being one that's so good there's almost no reason to not use it, and HOR being less of an alt and more of the base recipe locked behind a HDD for no good reason with how valuable it is for oil processing.

I didn't expect to need to create a song and dance about it. I was literally just posting about the need for context when rating alt recipes, and then you go and post something that's straight up wrong, because it missed the rather important context of "using 34 somersloops".

[Ryzilynt]

Originally posted by Evilsod:

Originally posted by Ryzilynt:

OP asked my opinion of which alternates I think are best.

I provided my top 3 , and MY reason.

Settle down.

I'm not questioning your opinion, those 3 are very strong recipes.
Diluted Fuel being one that's so good there's almost no reason to not use it, and HOR being less of an alt and more of the base recipe locked behind a HDD for no good reason with how valuable it is for oil processing.

I didn't expect to need to create a song and dance about it. I was literally just posting about the need for context when rating alt recipes, and then you go and post something that's straight up wrong, because it missed the rather important context of "using 34 somersloops".

tbf i think i only used 32. Factory isn't done, still need to build around a thousand fuel gens.

["Donut☆]

Heavy Encased frame is my favourite. Why? Because I really, really, really hate screws.

[kLuns]

Why do people hate screws? The alternatives without screws indeed provide more yield very often but there is no need to get hating on screws.
Early game up to coal power I use them in my part assembly lines without problems.

[Fenix]

Originally posted by kLuns:

Why do people hate screws?

They are annoying... until steel screws, then I don't mind them.

[Evilsod]

Originally posted by kLuns:

Why do people hate screws? The alternatives without screws indeed provide more yield very often but there is no need to get hating on screws.
Early game up to coal power I use them in my part assembly lines without problems.

I imagine it's because to make any half decent quantity of them needs a stupid number of machines, and then you might end up having to split belts because they exceed the belt limit.

That and you can easily replace them with alt recipes that are just all around better.
Hating them is a bit much, but they do rapidly become redundant.

[Kackstift]

the most important part of a good alternate recipe is to simplifier factory processes..
early game:
casted screw(eliminate one produce step)
Iron wire, Iron pipe(eliminates the need for copper and reduce the need of steel)

[Dragonmaster]

The iron pipe and beams. Allows you to make essentially an all iron only motor.

[kLuns]

Originally posted by Evilsod:

I imagine it's because to make any half decent quantity of them needs a stupid number of machines, and then you might end up having to split belts because they exceed the belt limit.

That and you can easily replace them with alt recipes that are just all around better.
Hating them is a bit much, but they do rapidly become redundant.

I still use the combination of steel rod, regular screw and copper rotor on a big scale. Indeed with "stupid screw blueprints" but it's as much of a clockwork as any other factory.

Or without copper 2 machines making cast screws dedicated to one assembler isn't that bad for an iron only setup.

For any other items than rotor the screw always looses from the alternate imo.

[phadin]

I loved the Turbo Blend Fuel. That recipie combined with the heavy oil residue let me translate 1500 oil into 1500 turbofuel using a single pure sulfer node with a mk 3 miner and mk 5 belt (total 750 sulfer required). Simple and easy to set up since you only need to bring a single resource over to your fuel factory.

Other then that, I think the most important recipie I've gotten in my playthrough was the simple Cast Screw.

[Bobucles]

Originally posted by Dragonmaster:

The iron pipe and beams. Allows you to make essentially an all iron only motor.

Been seeing a lot of value in this setup. Motors normally need iron copper and coal. The simple recipes cut it down to iron only. Heavy frames only need a bit of concrete to finish up, and that's all over the place.

Low tier recipes really open up a lot of new factory locations for low tier items, so you can save the "good spots" for much tougher recipes.

[Mihle]

Originally posted by Kackstift:

the most important part of a good alternate recipe is to simplifier factory processes..
early game:
casted screw(eliminate one produce step)
Iron wire, Iron pipe(eliminates the need for copper and reduce the need of steel)

I agree that iron pipe are nice if you don't have coal cluse to the iron, but if I do have that, I much prefer not using it because it's so not efficient. Especially if you compare to combining Solid Steel, and molded pipe. And optionally Iron Alloy.

I want to remove screws from everything. But cast screws is nice untill that is done.

[NukeAJS]

It's definitely heavy encased frame -- it saves on three of its resources and then replaces screws (which have a very little throughput without having to go through spaghetti-belt hell) with concrete -- which is a very common, very easy to make resource.

There's almost no reason ever to make the other two frame recipes. It's really the only no-brainer alt recipe in the game. At least some of the recipe selections for a product can be justified depending on available resource, location, logistics etc. The only case for not using heavy encased frames is that you don't have limestone around which is ... kinda impossible but I'm sure there's some place somewhere where someone setup a frame factory, looked around, and didn't see any limestone.

[Huillam]

Originally posted by Mihle:

My favorite is everything that get rid of screws.

Screw the screws!

And joke aside, they're even worse than wires when it comes to clogging a belt. Anything that get rid of screws let me build bigger while keeping a clean belt design.