Nitrogen Gas Question

[Alaskan Glitch]

I am running into trouble attempting to extract Nitrogen Gas, and I am not sure what I am doing wrong.

I set up a Resource Well Pressurizer and maxed out the Overdrive at 250%, giving me 2,100 cu. meters per minute. I also placed seven Resource Well Extractors to occupy all the available places, and linked them together with pipes.

I am getting mixed results from the Resource Well Extractors. Some say they are extracting at between 1% and 3%, while others are at 0% and "trying really hard."

The pipes do show that they contain some Nitrogen gas, but we're talking between 5 and 15 cu. meters per minute. None of the Nitrogen Gas is making its way to the second floor 20 meters above the ground floor, despite having a Pipeline Pump Mk. 2.

With full power and maximum overdrive, I should be cranking out 2,100 cu. meters per minute, which I assume equates to 300 cu. meters per resource node. Yet I am only getting 10% of that at best, and even less in the pipes.

Please tell me what I am doing wrong. Thanks.

[Vectorspace]

How many pipes? A total of 2100/min would require 7 mk1 pipes or 4 mk2 pipes.

Each individual mini node has its own purity, so each extractor will have a different speed. Check each extractor's UI.

Nitrogen gas does not need pumps.

[Alaskan Glitch]

Originally posted by Vectorspace:

How many pipes? A total of 2100/min would require 7 mk1 pipes or 4 mk2 pipes.

Since I'm getting such a low output from the Resource Well Extractors, I've combined all seven pipes into one (using Mk 1 Pipes since the combined throughput is under 100 cu. meters per minute) which is then piped to the second floor.

Originally posted by Vectorspace:

Each individual mini node has its own purity, so each extractor will have a different speed. Check each extractor's UI.

That would explain the different values I'm getting from each resource node. However, I should still be getting ~300 cu. meters per minute from each node with the Resource Well Pressurizer Overdrive at 250%.

Originally posted by Vectorspace:

Nitrogen gas does not need pumps.

The Resource Well Extractors say that they allow "fluids to be transported 10 meters upwards." Since my second floor is 20 meters above the Resource Well Extractors, I assumed that I needed at least a Mk 1 pump.

If a pump is not necessary, then why is none of the Nitrogen Gas reaching the second floor? And why can't I get more than 5 to 15 cu. meters per minute from the Resource Well Extractors?

[Dog]

Gas moves different than liquid. Pumps do not affect it. It requires full pipes to maintain pressure which will allow it to flow anywhere. Its not affected by gravity at all. Sounds like the pipes arent full. If there are buffers, remove them. Buffers on gas pipes gave me nothing but trouble. As soon as I removed them everything worked perfectly.

[Dog]

Also, if the well can produce 2100/min you should be able to get 3 mk2 pipes and 1 mk1 off of that one well. Just have to combine the different wells separately because they do not produce the same amounts. 3 at 600 and one at 300.

[Vectorspace]

It could also be that your machines don't need a full 2100?
If the machines and pipes are full then flow will drop to just what is being used. If you only have 15/min of demand, then once everything fills up you will only get an average of 15/min

The resource well provides 10m of headlift to fluids. I.e. Water and oil. Nitrogen is a gas, it behaves differently. It doesn't need pumps.

[SourHammer]

Go back and make sure you inserted the power shards and cranked up the overclock slider. I dont know how many times Ive traces a flow problem back to the node and found I had either forgotten to over clock it or forgotten to insert the shards at all. Could be I placed it down and then for some reason I deleted it and moved it around and then just forgot to redo it.

[Alaskan Glitch]

Originally posted by Dog:

Gas moves different than liquid. Pumps do not affect it. It requires full pipes to maintain pressure which will allow it to flow anywhere. Its not affected by gravity at all. Sounds like the pipes arent full. If there are buffers, remove them. Buffers on gas pipes gave me nothing but trouble. As soon as I removed them everything worked perfectly.

I did not add any buffers, and you are right, the pipes are not full. Not even close.

Originally posted by Dog:

Also, if the well can produce 2100/min you should be able to get 3 mk2 pipes and 1 mk1 off of that one well. Just have to combine the different wells separately because they do not produce the same amounts. 3 at 600 and one at 300.

Currently all the Resource Well Extractors have Mk 1 pipes. All seven Resource Well Extractors combined are producing less than 100 cu. meters per minute. Each resource node says that it is producing between 0% and 3%.

I combined all seven resource nodes together into one Mk1 pipe, hoping to concentrate enough Nitrogen Gas to at least make it to the second floor. It didn't work.

[Alaskan Glitch]

Originally posted by Vectorspace:

It could also be that your machines don't need a full 2100?
If the machines and pipes are full then flow will drop to just what is being used. If you only have 15/min of demand, then once everything fills up you will only get an average of 15/min

The resource well provides 10m of headlift to fluids. I.e. Water and oil. Nitrogen is a gas, it behaves differently. It doesn't need pumps.

That is certainly the case. The only thing I currently have connected to all seven resource nodes is a Packager which only requires an input of 240 cu. meters per minute of Nitrogen Gas, along with 60 Empty Fluid Tanks per minute.

The problem is that nothing is filling up. The pipes do have Nitrogen Gas, but only very small quantities (5 to 10 cu. meters per minute) and none of it reaches the second floor where the Packager is located.

I will remove the pumps I have currently in place. It was my last-ditch attempt to get Nitrogen Gas moving to the second floor, and it failed. But it is good to know that they are not necessary with regard to Nitrogen Gas.

[Alaskan Glitch]

Originally posted by SourHammer:

Go back and make sure you inserted the power shards and cranked up the overclock slider. I dont know how many times Ive traces a flow problem back to the node and found I had either forgotten to over clock it or forgotten to insert the shards at all. Could be I placed it down and then for some reason I deleted it and moved it around and then just forgot to redo it.

The three power shards are in the Resource Well Pressurizer, and the slider says 250% or 2,100 cu. meters per minute output. I have checked it multiple times.

This is what led me to believe that each of the resource nodes would produce ~300 cu. meters per minute since there are seven of these nodes. However, that was not the case. None of the resource nodes say they are producing more than 3%. Each node varies, but they are all in the range of 0% to 3% output.

Because of this I used only Mk1 pipes on all seven resource nodes. Even after combining all seven resource nodes into a single Mk1 pipe, I still don't have enough gas to reach the Packager on the second floor.

[Alaskan Glitch]

I appreciate the feedback. Thank you for taking the time to respond to my problem.

[nfgman]

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

[Alaskan Glitch]

Originally posted by nfgman:

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

No. That is not something I have tried, but I will now.

I will disconnect the power and reconnect it again. I am also going to redo all the piping from each of the nodes. Currently they are all using Mk1 pipes, but once I get this working then two or three nodes combined should produce more than 300 cu. meters per minute. Which means I will need at least a Mk 2 pipe when combining nodes.

[Alaskan Glitch]

I disconnected the power, made certain everything was turned off, then reconnected the power again.

I also replaced my Mk1 pipes. I now have two or three resource nodes using Mk 1 pipes to feed into a Mk 2 pipe before I bring the pipe up to the second level. There are now three Mk 2 pipes going to the second floor.

I also removed all the pumps I had placed, and once again made certain that the three power slugs were in the Resource Extractor Pressurizer and the slider showed 250%, or 2,100 cu. meters per minute.

This is the result for each resource node:

1. "Fracking, kind of" at 2% with 130 cu. meter per minute flow rate;
   
2. "Extracting" at 1% with 91 cu. meter per minute flow rate;
   
3. "Trying really hard" at 4% with 112 cu. meter per minute flow rate;
   
4. "Extracting" at 6% with 0 cu. meter per minute flow rate;
   
5. "Trying really hard" at 4% with 0 cu. meter per minute flow rate;
   
6. "Fracking, kind of" at 3% with 0 cu. meter per minute flow rate; and
   
7. "Extracting" at 0% with 0 cu. meter per minute flow rate.

The messages ("Fracking, kind of", "Extracting", etc.) also seem to change randomly, even though the percentage of outflow remains the same.

Each pipe segment has a maximum value that it can contain, and each segment of pipe appears to be full (or very close to it). That includes the pipe segments on the second floor. So Nitrogen Gas is getting to the second floor, right up to the Packager.

The Packager has power, and three power slugs, with the slider maxed out at 250%, which should produce 150 Packaged Nitrogen Gas per minute.

There is also a few thousand Empty Fluid Tanks waiting to be filled in the Packager.

[Alaskan Glitch]

Just on a whim I decided to remove and replace all the resource nodes that were showing a 0 flow rate. That seemed to have corrected the problem. They are now producing Nitrogen Gas, albeit not a lot.

I also removed and replaced the Packager.

Now everything appears to be working. The Packager is getting Nitrogen Gas and cranking out Packaged Nitrogen Gas at a rate of 150 per minute.

I greatly appreciate the time and effort that has been taken to help me resolve this issue.

Thank you.

[Alaskan Glitch]

I think I understand what happened.

When I was placing the Pressurizer and the Extractors and trying to get everything to work, I deleted the Pressurizer and replaced it. When I deleted the Pressurizer I'm thinking that it broke the connection to the four Extractors that I had already placed.

After I replaced the Pressurizer I placed the other three Extractors. Which explains why they were showing a flow rate and the other four were not. By deleting and replacing the Extractors that showed zero flow rate I reconnected them to the Pressurizer and fixed my problem.

Or at least I think that is what happened.