Do you cheat in a Vanilla game?

[Jeff]

I've been told a few times that modding can be cheating and that you should play a vanilla game because that is the way it was intended. Well, vanilla players are cheating too.

I recently played a multiplayer game on a dedicated server with seven other players. It was a "vanilla" game (no mods). After a week I went to visit one of the other players using an explorer vehicle that I unlocked and built. After I saw all that they built we decided to go see another player on the other side of the map. We ended up going there two different ways. It took me about two hours to get there as I had to transverse a harsh terrain and kill creatures along the way. They other two got to our destination in about "twenty minutes?"

They cheated by building a pathway high in the air using concrete and iron tiles without any realistic supports. You say playing a vanilla game is not cheating, yet it really is. You can build a ramp from the ground. Then add a tile going forward and remove the ramp. The tile will stay floating up in the air as if by some sort of magic. You can even build structures way up in the air without any supports. I left the multiplayer game right after that.

And you say modding is cheating because I'm using equipment that was not in the original game. At least I am supporting realistically anything that I build above the ground and don't run belts through solid objects like they do in vanilla.

[lpnlizard27]

You altered the game code and assets.

The other played within the existing framework.

Tell me again who cheated ?

[Jeff]

So because a vanilla game allows cheating, you say that's okay, but modding is not.

Gotcha.... hmmm

[Wolfgang]

I don't think that using intended game mechanics counts as cheating. What they've done would more be considered "cheesing".

Also, the game is nowhere near realistic which should be clear within the first hour of playing the game.

[Jeff]

You're right about that. I served in a boiler room on a US Navy destroyer (built during WWII) during Vietnam. They didn't have anything that looked like a coal generator in this game. However the equipment used in the Refined Power mod sure did.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2789382132

[Taco Cat]

Originally posted by Jeff:

You're right about that. I served in a boiler room on a US Navy destroyer (built during WWII) during Vietnam. They didn't have anything that looked like a coal generator in this game. However the equipment used in the Refined Power mod sure did.

So once again mods are superior or what is this supposed to tell us?

[Jeff]

I'm just telling you that vanilla players can cheat because the game mechanics allow it. Even YouTuber's like Kibitz uses mods to make their videos. Or didn't you notice them flying without a hover pack.

[Wolfgang]

Originally posted by Jeff:

You're right about that. I served in a boiler room on a US Navy destroyer (built during WWII) during Vietnam. They didn't have anything that looked like a coal generator in this game. However the equipment used in the Refined Power mod sure did.

Hang on. Is this some kind of "if mods are cheating then I'll find something I state is cheating too in the vanilla game" thing? Really?

Using vanilla game mechanics is not cheating. You can cheese something with it or exploit unintended bugs or glitches (which are fittingly called "exploits") but cheating is not working in the vanilla game unless you find some kind of cheat code or use external stuff.

[Taco Cat]

Originally posted by Jeff:

I'm just telling you that vanilla players can cheat because the game mechanics allow it. Even YouTuber's like Kibitz uses mods to make their videos. Or didn't you notice them flying without a hover pack.

Its not cheating if the game physics/mechanics allow it...but i guess you cant understand that even tho it was said multiple times now

[Jeff]

Even in a modded game my above ground structures are well supported.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2879046995

[GobboKirk]

Originally posted by lpnlizard27:

You altered the game code and assets.

The other played within the existing framework.

Tell me again who cheated ?

Nobody, play as you like people...

[The Big Brzezinski]

I've never found it necessary to alter the game to solve a problem. You're just too powerful for any kind of traversal or logistical problem to be all that challenging.

Road building, including large overpasses, isn't cheating. It's transportation infrastructure. If the game had structural integrity, it would do nothing to inhibit road building. Add support greebles if you want.

[Taco Cat]

Originally posted by Jeff:

Even in a modded game my above ground structures are well supported.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2879046995

Who cares? Still does not change the fact its not cheating if you build unsupported structures in a vanilla game.
Are you unable to understand it or do you just not want to understand it?

Guess Wolfgang was right

Originally posted by Wolfgang:

Originally posted by Jeff:

You're right about that. I served in a boiler room on a US Navy destroyer (built during WWII) during Vietnam. They didn't have anything that looked like a coal generator in this game. However the equipment used in the Refined Power mod sure did.

Hang on. Is this some kind of "if mods are cheating then I'll find something I state is cheating too in the vanilla game" thing? Really?

[Jeff]

I am reading and understand what you say, but let me get this right. You say that the game is not realistic and I agree, so you take full advantage of this and keep on building unrealistic structures? I just can't do it.

Every time I see someone post a monorail setup, the rails are never supported (its magic!)

[Aven]

Originally posted by Jeff:

I'm just telling you that vanilla players can cheat because the game mechanics allow it. Even YouTuber's like Kibitz uses mods to make their videos. Or didn't you notice them flying without a hover pack.

There are a number of players on this forum that deliberately choose to play by additional rules to make the game more challenging. As examples: limiting hand production, productions must be housed in permanent structures, no floating foundations, structural integrity for all structures, limited conveyor belt/left distance, no afking...

Not everyone is looking to exploit the game, because all that does is shorten the time we have with it.

[DerFinneAT]

Originally posted by Jeff:

I've been told a few times that modding can be cheating and that you should play a vanilla game because that is the way it was intended.

Please link a couple of those.

So far I have seen quite a couple of threads from you, where you imply, that you need to jump to modding, as vanilla has broken mechanics and a broken broken balance.

And this is objected, and more than once you have been shown, that it boils either down to personal preference, or to your inability to actually utilize the tools provided in vanilla in an efficient way.

If you are more happy with a modded game: more power to you, pal. Enjoy and knock yourself out.
No one really cares. Your game - your rules.

But please for the sake of whatever you believe in - stop trying to create a conflict and drama, where there simply isn't any.