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Sir Prometeus Nov 11, 2020 @ 12:17am
What's the purpose of packaging fluids?
I mean, why not using them as fluids all the time? You have to build conveyor belts or pipes anyway. I get it's frustrating to need pumps, but they aren't that bad
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Tanoshi Nov 11, 2020 @ 12:32am 
tractor hauling I suppose
Suzaku Nov 11, 2020 @ 12:32am 
Jetpacks and vehicles need it packaged to use them.

Packaged fluids do not require pumps to move them to a greater height.

Some recipe combinations make use of packing/unpacking to create impressive increases in efficient use of liquids.
Heisenquark Nov 11, 2020 @ 1:44am 
Have fun building 300 pipelines because you need a flowrate of 30000000
Aoi Blue Nov 11, 2020 @ 1:48am 
There are some discoverable recipes that allow creating ingots at higher efficiency using water and ore in a foundry.
Vault Traveler Nov 11, 2020 @ 1:49am 
Weird question.
Calmputer Nov 11, 2020 @ 3:24am 
Mk 5 belt: 780/m
Mk 2 pipe: 600/m

so:
1: belts are faster
2: belts don't need pumps

also, freight cars have 32 slots for "items", but only 1600m3 for fluids.
when you package something it's a 1-to-1 process. one m3 to one item.
so the freight cars can take double the amount of "fluid" if it's packaged.
Last edited by Calmputer; Nov 14, 2020 @ 2:37am
Mister Fabulous Nov 11, 2020 @ 4:42am 
I know power needs aren't really a consideration late game, but there could be that too. The following assumes no playing with clock speeds. You could certainly underclock packagers and build more to offset the power needs. It's not like any materials would be in short supply at the stage of the game you unlock this.

You need 150 MW to pack and unpack a full mk. 2 pipe of water. Water requires the least amount of packagers. With mk. 2 pumps, you can move that fluid 937.5 meters high (234.375 4m foundations) assuming 50m spacing for the same amount of power. This is why some people choose to build "pump towers" for fluid distribution, but this was before the fluid update and that would have worked out to 2250 meters high with mk. 1 pumps (562.5 4m foundations) because of the power needs of refineries. But that's also assuming that one pipe is all going to the same place. If you don't make a tower and split the pipe, each segment needs its own pumps.

The slowest packaging recipes (20/m) need 600 MW to pack and unpack, so 4x the power.

Is it less power to use a pipe? Yeah, probably no matter the fluid, but that depends on what you're doing. Pipes can be a pain in the butt or a fun challenge and valves can let you control what goes where now. Depends on your needs. If you have one massive water extraction operation late game as an example, it's probably much easier logistically to pack everything and send them on trains. Would be nice if the liquid cars held more.
Lywelyn Nov 11, 2020 @ 10:06am 
absolutely none since you can do a proper factory without them, it's literally for the hardcore ocd folks who need to optimise absolutely everything,

frankly it's good that way because setting up a farm of turbo fuel is a pain in the ass already
Originally posted by NiGHTS:
absolutely none since you can do a proper factory without them, it's literally for the hardcore ocd folks who need to optimise absolutely everything,

frankly it's good that way because setting up a farm of turbo fuel is a pain in the ass already

Absolutely none?

So I should run a pipeline all the way across the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ map, fit all the necessary parts with pumps required to keep the flow rate and overhead lift high enough to move it fast enough, run power to all those pumps along the pineline, instead of just packing the fluids and transporting more of it faster by train?

Yeah, no thanks, you're so wrong it hurts.

Sure you don't need to package fluids to do ONE "proper" factory, but good luck transporting that ♥♥♥♥ from one end of the map to the other end.

Hey, ever notice how in real life, there are these things called oil tanker cars and oil tanker trucks and all these other transportation of fluids methods that aren't pipes?

Yeah, because only pipes isn't realistic in real life and it isn't realistic in the game either.

Far more sensible to pack and ship over long distances than to try and pipe it all the way.
Gorby Nov 11, 2020 @ 11:08am 
Originally posted by Calmputer:
also, freight cars have 32 slots for "items", but only 1600m3 for fluids.
when you package something it's a 1-to-1 process. one m3 to one item.
so the freight cars can take double the amount of "fluid" if it's packaged.
^ That. If it weren't for that I would agree that packaged fluids are almost worthless, aside from jetpack fuel of course. And then there's the trick with packaged fuel that can create 11GW of turbofuel power from a single impure oil node so that's handy.
Gorby Nov 11, 2020 @ 11:16am 
Originally posted by FreeMan | Black Tiger:
Yeah, because only pipes isn't realistic in real life and it isn't realistic in the game either.

Far more sensible to pack and ship over long distances than to try and pipe it all the way.
Ummm... I agree with you when it comes to this video game, but...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipeline_transport
Last edited by Gorby; Nov 11, 2020 @ 11:16am
Originally posted by Gorby:
Originally posted by FreeMan | Black Tiger:
Yeah, because only pipes isn't realistic in real life and it isn't realistic in the game either.

Far more sensible to pack and ship over long distances than to try and pipe it all the way.
Ummm... I agree with you when it comes to this video game, but...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipeline_transport

That is not only pipelines, obviously there are massively long pipelines in SOME PLACES, but that's the thing, SOME places, where it's possible.

It's literally not possible right now, to run all the fluids from where they originate to where they need to be, using pipes only.

This is why we still transport all manner of packaged fluids over the roads, down the rivers, and on the rails.

Some giant oil pipelines doesn't equal pipelines only, and yes I was being literal with that.

Long distance piping is sometimes a solution where other logistics don't make more sense.

Pretty sure if we were to math it out, we would find that long distance transport via train is more efficient in game that through pipeline.
Kraft51 Nov 11, 2020 @ 11:38am 
Originally posted by Calmputer:
Mk 5 belt: 780/m
Mk 2 pipe: 600/m

so:
1 belts are faster
2 belts don't need pumps

also, freight cars have 32 slots for "items", but only 1600m3 for fluids.
when you package something it's a 1-to-1 process. one m3 to one item.
so the freight cars can take double the amount of "fluid" if it's packaged.
this has been brought up since CSS added the Fluid Cars to the trains, it was significantly less before and wasn't even worth the materials to build the Fluid Cars.
Gorby Nov 11, 2020 @ 11:41am 
Originally posted by FreeMan | Black Tiger:
Originally posted by Gorby:
Ummm... I agree with you when it comes to this video game, but...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipeline_transport

That is not only pipelines, obviously there are massively long pipelines in SOME PLACES, but that's the thing, SOME places, where it's possible.

It's literally not possible right now, to run all the fluids from where they originate to where they need to be, using pipes only.

This is why we still transport all manner of packaged fluids over the roads, down the rivers, and on the rails.

Some giant oil pipelines doesn't equal pipelines only, and yes I was being literal with that.

Long distance piping is sometimes a solution where other logistics don't make more sense.

Pretty sure if we were to math it out, we would find that long distance transport via train is more efficient in game that through pipeline.
Uh huh... we'll just have to agree to disagree about how things work in real life, especially since it has nothing to do with this game.

We're definitely on the same page in this game though, in my first playthrough I made the mistake of running a triple pipeline from the west coast oil fields down to the grasslands. It was the biggest waste of effort, pumps, and power ever. Once I realized I could process or package fluids on-site before transport it was a pretty big facepalm moment lol
Originally posted by Gorby:
Originally posted by FreeMan | Black Tiger:

That is not only pipelines, obviously there are massively long pipelines in SOME PLACES, but that's the thing, SOME places, where it's possible.

It's literally not possible right now, to run all the fluids from where they originate to where they need to be, using pipes only.

This is why we still transport all manner of packaged fluids over the roads, down the rivers, and on the rails.

Some giant oil pipelines doesn't equal pipelines only, and yes I was being literal with that.

Long distance piping is sometimes a solution where other logistics don't make more sense.

Pretty sure if we were to math it out, we would find that long distance transport via train is more efficient in game that through pipeline.
Uh huh... we'll just have to agree to disagree about how things work in real life, especially since it has nothing to do with this game.

We're definitely on the same page in this game though, in my first playthrough I made the mistake of running a triple pipeline from the west coast oil fields down to the grasslands. It was the biggest waste of effort, pumps, and power ever. Once I realized I could process or package fluids on-site before transport it was a pretty big facepalm moment lol

We don't have to disagree on how things work in reality because it's all constrained by the laws of physics, the nature of our reality.

There are too many different types of fluids needing to be brought from one physical location to another in various quantities, for us to be able to do all of it with pipes.

We already have issues trying to run water and gas lines to peoples homes, and can only do that with huge city/town planning projects.

Once you use space, it's used, you have to go around it, so eventually you start running out of space for things.

It's not possible for us to run all fluids everywhere using only pipes, our society just isn't set up for that nor do humans operate in such a manner that allows that either.

If you want to drink some orange juice in the middle of the desert, I hope you have a glass, because there aint no damn orange juice pipe bringing that liquid out there for you.

See what I mean? Bit of an extreme example but it proves my point.

It makes literally no sense to use pipelines to transport all fluids, it makes FAR more sense to package and ship a lot of it not using pipes, like all the carbonated beverages you find at restaurants.

They product the syrup in the factory and package it into a type of plastic bag inside of a cardboard box, which is then shipped to the individual restaurants.

Wouldn't make any sense to set up a pipeline network for delivering soda syrup to restaurants.

Have I fully made my point now?

It's not realistic in any manner whatsoever, to transport all fluids everywhere using pipes, the reason it's not done anywhere on the planet, you only see SOME pipelines transporting SOME fluids, usually very specific ones in very specific usually large quantities.
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