Pipes and Pumps. they don't make sense.

[ArtemusGintry]

I have created a new outpost on the steppes and need to pump some water up a cliff. I know the water extractors provide some headflow but even when I place the other pumps at 10m intervals they don't want to pump up the bank? do I have to make a horozontal section every 10m or can I just place the pump there and keep going?

[Grandaddypurple]

Are you sure the pumps are powered ? Are they facing the right direction ?
Also just an unrelated heads up, you dont have to space them 10m each. Water extractors produce 10m headlift (you got that right), powered pumps provide 20m headlift (theoretically 22, but I like not going above 20m)

[Yffriium]

Water Extractors only provide 10m of headlift, meaning water can not flow more than 10m above the original height of the extractor. You must use Powered Pumps to increase this headlift, though it's important to note that headlift can't be stacked. Use the full 10m headlift from the Extractor, then place a Powered Pump and get 20m more.

[Edmund Greyfox]

Grandaddy,

How much vertical piping do you do? I'm trying to figure out how I'm going to build my first big refining facility, but have mostly been thinking in terms of a single flat platform.

[Grandaddypurple]

Originally posted by Edmund Greyfox:

Grandaddy,

How much vertical piping do you do? I'm trying to figure out how I'm going to build my first big refining facility, but have mostly been thinking in terms of a single flat platform.

If you have access to flat terrain and plan on building more than a hundred refineries, I suggest going for flat platforms. Refineries are big and cluncky, it hard to get creative with that.
However have a specific place to build in mind becausd you like the spot, but it's high, don't hesitate to make cool stuff like this (might also help OP)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2207026252

[DaBa]

Never assume something doesn't make sense, because it's almost always you making a mistake or not understanding something. In this case you're obviously doing something wrong somewhere, but nobody will be able to help you if you don't provide information.

[Edmund Greyfox]

Thanks Grandaddy. I've seen so many posts saying that you should avoid vertical piping that i'd about given up on the concept. I imagine the electricity cost to run the pumps would be high, but i can probably live with that.

[ArtemusGintry]

so this setup the Powered pumps are working as intended but do not have enought to push the fluid up to the platform. if I add a pump anywhere else the other 2 stop working.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2252151662

[Mio Rin]

Originally posted by ArtemusGintry:

so this setup the Powered pumps are working as intended but do not have enought to push the fluid up to the platform. if I add a pump anywhere else the other 2 stop working.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2252151662

I'd move the first pump down towards the extractor, add a pump on the halfway landing, then adjust the upper pump as needed, while making sure they all are pumping in the correct direction and have enough electricity being supplied to them.
I would also add a reservoir at the base, right after the extractors, to ensure an even flow in the pipes.

[DaBa]

Originally posted by ArtemusGintry:

so this setup the Powered pumps are working as intended but do not have enought to push the fluid up to the platform. if I add a pump anywhere else the other 2 stop working.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2252151662

First pump is way too high, there's your problem. Extractors have so little headlift that if you want to immediately start with vertical pipes, then place a pump right after it starts going up from the pump. Also, it's going to be much easier to judge height if you just make a single, vertical pipe instead of a slope.

[Grandaddypurple]

Originally posted by ArtemusGintry:

so this setup the Powered pumps are working as intended but do not have enought to push the fluid up to the platform. if I add a pump anywhere else the other 2 stop working.

As it's been said above, your first pump is too high, and you'd need a third one too considering you're sending water up ~50m. You can easily measure the height at which you need a pump by building foundations and walls (walls are 4m high).
Once your pumps are powered, you can check their UI, it'll say whether or not the headlift required is too high.

Originally posted by Edmund Greyfox:

Thanks Grandaddy. I've seen so many posts saying that you should avoid vertical piping that i'd about given up on the concept. I imagine the electricity cost to run the pumps would be high, but i can probably live with that.

Yea, it's recommended not to go with too much vertical piping for early game players transitioning to coal, but the power usage of pumps quickly turns into a non-issue. But I also don't like people giving restriction as a piece of advice

[Bobucles]

Water extractors only lift up to about half way on the water wheel. If the water can't reach the first pump, it can't go anywhere beyond that.

[Samtana]

Looks like you got your answer. Powered pumping appears to start 5-6m too late so your pumps have nothing to pump.

[Bobucles]

Vertical piping is actually pretty convenient. The snap grid operates every 1m, so if you can count to 20 then there's no problem with pumps. Pump distance starts from the butt of the pump, so the length of the pump will also eat away some distance.

The easy way to stack pumps up a wall is to build a solid line of 5 pumps, then delete the middle 3. Rinse and repeat.

[Lil Puppy]

First pump is too high. Each foundation is 4m high, you're at least 12m before your first pump. So drop it down a few meters and move your other pumps and add another one.

[ArtemusGintry]

Yeah moving it down to where the first indicator was and it started right up. no need for a third pump. At first I thought I was dealing with a bug because when I load the game the system would be working and then slowly stop.