Veterans: do you use pure ingots recipes ?

[Grandaddypurple]

Pretty much what the title says: i'm getting into late game, planning on doing quite the mega base. I'm scavenging the map for alt recipes and came to wonder whether or not it was worth it to process raw material in refineries and adding water. If it's a necessity then I'll need to replan lol, I can't just replace smelters with refineries

[Bobucles]

There is no explicit need to use pure ingot recipes. The setups get VERY large, much more so than regular smelting, especially if you start bringing in ore from around the map. Be prepared to spend at least a day setting up a few nodes, maybe longer for bigger.

Players have done it, and some of them stream their monstrosities from time to time.

[Grandaddypurple]

Originally posted by Bobucles:

There is no explicit need to use pure ingot recipes. The setups get VERY large, much more so than regular smelting, especially if you start bringing in ore from around the map. Be prepared to spend at least a day setting up a few nodes, maybe longer for bigger.

Players have done it, and some of them stream their monstrosities from time to time.

I'm aware about the size, hence my question : is it really worth it lol, I initially planned to get all the ressources from the rocky desert + north canyon + part of the north forest with an already big train setup, so do I really need more... I guess it's never enough, mostly considering there's more content to come
I'm definitly willing to spend the time for it if it's a necessity, even if it'll be several game sessions

[IPWIW]

You make your factories
Though i prefer to belt more ore rather than bring it to water or the other way around

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It depends on what the current production line is requiring in terms of materials. IF you have a certain point in the Computer production line (for example) that wants an excessive amount of ingots then it might be worth it to produce them and put em in to a "bus system" across multiple belts with splitters/mergers. It just depends on what kind of demand you're trying to supply.

[Q1]

My thought process basically goes "Is the resource next to water?" if it is, then I'll consider it, if not, then I just don't care that much.

[Truckin' Tom]

Meh.. There's literally no difference between regular ingots, alloy ingots or pure ingots other than how they're made. I can appreciate the alt recipes in that they give engineers options to diversify their factories according to what resources they have on hand and we don't all end up with the same cookie cutter setups. However, some of the recipes can be confusing when, as a new engineer, youre presented with three options and you have no idea if the recipe that looks the best is any better than the one(s) you already have.

[Quantum Delpha]

They aren't all the same, some are more efficient or process faster. There are a limited amount of nodes on the map, and at some point you'll need to start making the most out of what you have.

[A Rare White Stag]

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Originally posted by Bobucles:

The setups get VERY large. Be prepared to spend at least a day setting up a few nodes, maybe longer for bigger.

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and if you plan to use pure recipies, build your factories at ocean. prepare to start shipping things across the map using large train networks just to get them out there

Originally posted by Quantum Delpha:

There are a limited amount of nodes on the map, and at some point you'll need to start making the most out of what you have.

this is the biggest reason to use it. caterium

[Truckin' Tom]

Yeah, the recipes are different but the ingots themselves aren't any different once they're made. Same thing with the medicinal and nutritional inhalers, rotors, reinforced iron plates, etc etc etc.

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Originally posted by Truckin' Tom:

Meh.. There's literally no difference between regular ingots, alloy ingots or pure ingots other than how they're made.

The difference is in how many ingots you can produce from each piece of ore. For example with the Pure Iron Ingot recipe: You get 1.85 ingots for every 1 raw ore you process, or a 1:1.85 ratio. Vs 1:1 with the normal pattern. With fixed numbers of nodes on the map you get more ingots out of the ore we do have with this alt recipe.

Originally posted by Truckin' Tom:

I can appreciate the alt recipes in that they give engineers options to diversify their factories according to what resources they have on hand and we don't all end up with the same cookie cutter setups. However, some of the recipes can be confusing when, as a new engineer, youre presented with three options and you have no idea if the recipe that looks the best is any better than the one(s) you already have.

But we do have an idea how what the different recipes do and something that explains it for us. See here: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/codex/items/iron-ingot

[Truckin' Tom]

Yes, I'm aware of Satisfactory Tools and Satisfactory Calculator. I've got several hundred hours in the game. I don't know why ya'll are basically rewording what I've already said.

[Grandaddypurple]

Thanks everyone, great inputs.

Originally posted by Q1:

My thought process basically goes "Is the resource next to water?" if it is, then I'll consider it, if not, then I just don't care that much.

I'll definitly make use of that statement. With alternative recipes, when one has better output than the original, you get keenly commited to it and forget the other recipe is viable as well. Some of my nodes are close to a big lake, others are not, I think I'll make 50% pure 50% alloy / normal smelting.

Originally posted by Truckin' Tom:

However, some of the recipes can be confusing when, as a new engineer, youre presented with three options and you have no idea if the recipe that looks the best is any better than the one(s) you already have.

It's true, there should be a small tutorial on alt recipes (maybe there's one? I don't remember) ; but I like the fact that the learning curve of this game is slower than the progressing curve. It'll make you "restart" even if you've unlocked everything. For instance I just unlocked nuclear power, but haven't made use of fuel generators yet (which I plan on doing). Currently I have NO factory at all, I'm in exploration mode. So I reached Tier 7 but because I recently learned some more stuff I decided it was time to start over.

[Tomtommer]

Im at over 750h right now and never felt I expicitely needed pure recipes.
I think they're mostly for the 'megafactory' type builds where people want to get the absolute most out of nodes .

If you're somewhere below hardcore megabuilder, you can build without requiring refineries as far as the eye can see.

[Grandaddypurple]

Originally posted by tomvanharmelen:

Im at over 750h right now and never felt I expicitely needed pure recipes.
I think they're mostly for the 'megafactory' type builds where people want to get the absolute most out of nodes .

If you're somewhere below hardcore megabuilder, you can build without requiring refineries as far as the eye can see.

Yea, no need to go overkill with it. But I'll drop a few just for the hell of it

[Bobucles]

Alt recipes are a bit like Factorio's productivity modules. The value of a resource boosting recipe is dependent on the amount of resources that flow through the facility. How many resources flow through a pure iron recipe? It's less than 150 ticket points/min, total.

Ore boosting recipes provide VERY little gain in value, and refineries are far far far more difficult to set up than smelters. Work on literally anything else, it'll pay off better in the long run.