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Again, there's a difference here. I knew in advance that i would be sharing info when i opened my account to Steam. If a store, or a game, or whatever, makes a option in settings and tells you that no data would be sent, and yet it does, i think it's reasonable to be worried, or angry, or dissapointed or whatever and ask for a fix and/or a notice in the store.
There's also another point here. Imagine you make an account in a store, like Steam (or Epic, it doesn't matter) Ten you buy and download a game, and then you discover that just running that game you are sending your data to Origin, Battlenet, Uplay or any other store you have no account, you did not choose and no one told you that was going to happen.
For instance, these days Electronic Arts is making very clear that all their new games at Steam come with Origin, all their BIG (lol sorry) EULA, maybe another DRM (like Denuvo ofc) on top of Steam and Origin Auth, etc. Imagine they don't say anything, people buy and then there's a massive refund. Oh, surely there will be people that will not care, but imagine their forums, and that will probably end up in some magazines. Bad image, controversy, review-bombing, whatever.
I mean, not the same situation with CSS (and i really believe what Stefan said-that Stefan, not you lol) but just an example to argue that there's a difference between what it's discussed in this thread and your "all acting hypocritical" because no one of us wrote such stuff to Steam argument (really? you personally can asseverate that no one of us claimed never against all the data we send to Valve?)
Last 2 points: First, i don't prefer Steam, i prefer GOG. Second, you did not quoted me but you wrote after i did and all of us here that don't like this situation are in the same bag for you (hypocritical, pathethic, lemmings and monopoly fans it seems) so ofc i felt forementioned and answered to your rude words. You really felt aggraviated by us, like if it was personal to you, and i think you were rude and provocative, as i said, and that was unnecessary.
Edit: oh, and about monopolies no, i also strongly dislike that. That's what Epic does these days, using big money to buy exclusives, preventing customers to buy where they want and forcing their rules. That's a monopoly, and it's not competition, but unfair competition. Microsoft did and the EU fined them. Google did and same. Facebook, idem. Apple, idem. All fined. No, i'm not a monopoly lover, quite the contrary.
They will certainly fix that.
Oh, yes, because the game asks for the steamid. But i have read that the same "bug" happens with Steam offline although your account credentials and steamid are saved locally and valid for 2 weeks so the game could read the id from there (not sure about this) instead of forcing a constant online connection even if you play SP. Or, well, modify the saving function and only use the id if you are online and not link the game saves to our id :S
I guess Epic works different or it's just a CSS choice to made it that way. But well, i can play with those domains blocked, so it's good enough.
Let's say for arguments sake what you wrote is correct and Steam is "just as bad". How do you go from that to it being a "patethic attempt from gamers to support their beloved monopol" that some don't want it to go to Steam and Epic and CSS? As if one isn't enough.That is quite the mental gymnastics there buddy.
* We agree to Steams rules when using Steam
* We did NOT agree to share data (that is what the opt out option is for after all) to Epic
It isn't that hard to spot the difference..
DRG? I have no idea what DRG is so why should it earn them any trust? Because they earned *your* trust with DRG makes no difference to anyone else but you.
If you don't need to "earn trust" from those that don't believe in you there're no one left to earn trust from. What a silly statement.
So if they do something good they can never do something bad? That make no sense. Their rating on another games is also totally irrelevant. Besides saying out loud that they share data (bug or not) is not trying to make anyone look bad. It turned out that it actually wasn't totally innocent after all as proved by OP.
Problem is by using Unreal Engine Games you agree this rules. Its not transparent what UE4(and some UE3 games) use that API, I give you that but as many already stated feel free to deinstall all other UE4 games.
We have more information about what is shared, which is always good. Trying to get someone to change their opinion either way doesn't win anyone anything. Thanks to the OP. thanks to the people who gave options to people who didn't want this phoning home, and thanks to the devs for not only taking it seriously, but admitting they weren't entirely aware of this. That's the problem with any pre-packaged engine.
Nobody's going to change their mind about their privacy or their trust in the company (or moral relatavism) but it's interesting to see what, exactly, are the mechanics behind the telemetry.
Pretty much, the Information gathered and shared from the OP is pretty much to only important thing. Choose your poison.
I'm literally shocked and speechless.
But thats not just a detail. But whatever. Expected one of you instantly gatekeep the devs. Especially you.
I dunno. From where I come from, with this lax behaviour.. I would get instantly fired if I work on a product thats open for sale.
But thats nothing new in this industry. Still bothering.
Double edit: Maybe I'm just a lil bit jealous. Such strange working culture they have there. I would like that for me tbh.
You have issues with the epic connectivity stuff and therefore you put emphasis on devs needing to know all there is to know about that stuff.
Someone else who cares a lot more about some other aspect of the game would get upset the devs dont know all about that stuff in particular.
You can't please everyone.
The guy acknowledged the fact that stuff isn't ideal and they're going to talk about possible ways to handle things, meaning they'll improve their knowledge about the subject regardless of the outcome.
I'm not gatekeeping anything, I'm just providing you with a more realistic view on stuff instead of your ridiculously biased outlook on this stuff.
You are implying I care about the whole EOS stuff. I don't
But I care about the product. When I see devs openly admit... that they or he has no idea about that. WHAT SIMPLE random user can find out.
I believe that is bothering. Software devs have to know where their software clings to.
Thats a huge no no no in my eyes. I dont care how you see that. Thats my opinion.