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People skeptical of CCP ownership of western game/media companies don't necessarily fear up front spyware on their PC, but the CCP might be interested in pushing anti-cheat that has a look at the chat-log in multi-player games so they can keep tabs on public sentiment... and maybe isolate gamers hostile to CCP.
Its not going to be obvious.
Chat logs aren't going to be encrytped, and there will be easier ways of getting that info than trying to infiltate a games company, and being found out by the american government.
However, its the internet...how much public sentiment can they get out of angsty teens playing cod. Do you have deep, meaningful conversations through text when playing games? Normally, i talk about gamey stuff...
If China want to know that i need 3 more diamonds for my turtle...then fine.
Whatever, not a game I play... I don't know any Chinese people.... not my problem right?
If any of you whining users are actually concerned about privacy or data mining, you would not have a steam account, the internet, a cell phone, or even a home address. Even the electric company sells your data. Get Over It and Calm Down.
In other news, I find the game's initial pop-up to be more than suffice to describe what is being transmitted to CSS via Epic. If you want awesome games like this one, you want them to pull errors and glitches from gameplay to correct issues going forward.
Also, is there no moderation on steam forums? All this offtopic useless commentary is wasting time as I have to skip over BS about companies that have nothing to do with Satisfactory, and disputes and issues related to no actual Satisfactory player.
Once again, it is more like to a situation where you decided on a whim on a beautiful day to post your personal phone number on the social network for all to see. Then expect to not receive a phone call from a "certain Nigeria Prince" wanting to seek a private investment that will surely double your money in a month or two.
It has more to do with having more control over what your data is being used for at any rate. You really should look up about the Cambridge Analytica data scandal and watch a documentary to get the full picture of how horrible the scandal actually was. The short bit is they harvested data by exploiting a loophole to grab data on people who explicitly didn't give facebook permissions to share data.
As for error/glitches. You know that I can write up a bug report in let say "reddit/Satisfactory" or "discord" that the developer can look over. Right?
Except that you arn't posting anything as static as a phone number. You are transmitting two pieces of data. One is your steam id, which is static, but is obtainable though pretty much every 3rd party app that is made to track accounts.
The other is your ip address, which due to the number of people on the internet, and the way that isp's work, static ips are few and far between. Mostly they are recycled day to day.
You are missing the point here.
It is common sense to not share your personal phone number info to the general public if you don't want them to call you all day and night etc...
It doesn't matter if the steam ID is fully available to the public and all of the IP are dynamic generated each day. I am not going into too much detail here because I don't want to make it easier for people who want to *insert dirty laundry to do list here*. But it is fairly trivial to google for yourself to find out more.
Once again, going back to my analogy if someone knows my phone number. They have the area code (the "(XXX)" part of (XXX)-XXX-XXXX number)) which is enough to identify which phone company the number is subscribed to and/or area the phone is in.
I just did a reverse phone look up for my resident and it has all of the personal data on there and where the phone is too down to the actual address itself.
GO and search your own phone number and IP or whatever. It is eye popping what you WILL find.
Oh, i know my phone number has already been leaked to scammers...everyones has.
But, if you are so worried about your ip adress goign awry...why do you still use steam?
At least I know what valve is doing with it and gave them permission to do so.
Connecting me to other player (easy to setup multiplayer session and hosting server), delivering video game files (download to IP address), Security (Two-Factor Authentication), stream from desktop to big TV in living room, and etc...
Do you?
If you put that trust in one large video games corperation, why not trust that epic will treat that info the same way?
I get if you are worried about data going astray, but that data can go astray from anywhere. While epic have had their data breaches, so has valve...i remember one xmas they put peoples data on the store page for everyone to see. Accidents happen after all.
Thats the part i have trouble understanding...in reality i suspect its litrally that you don't trust an investor with your data, but then that falls over when you consider valves own possible collaberations.
Yes I do for Valve because they actually have enough influence to hold their own ground just just from a financial point of view.
I don't hold the same opinion for Epic Games for many reasons. The biggest one would be transparency in what happens with data. The actual provider for multiplayer as of now is Epic and requires you to either use steam or epic ID number to log on at game start-up. This is still NOT advertised on the steam satisfactory store page.
The security breaches, as in plural, in early days of Epic deserves it own thread and is nowhere close as bad as what happened to steam. Even if we were to disregard those past leaks: out of the two I would trust steam more just based on frequency of leaks and severity.
Heck even CD Red Projekts (developer of witcher 3 and Cyberpunk 2077) had a leak of source code recently. Should I dump them too? All I am saying here is no one is entirely 100% foolproof.
Huh? What are you talking about? Valve is a private owned company with Gabe, who founded valve, owning 50% of valve and the rest goes to employees as a compensation option. There are no such thing as a "valve collaborators".
So...valve aren't collaberating with the chinese government to deploy steam into china then?
Different product for different region along with different laws.
What happens on Steam China is not the same thing as regular Steam.
At launch Steam China only have 53 games.
https://www.pcgamer.com/steam-china-launch/
And you can check it out for yourself here.
https://store.steamchina.com
It doesn't matter if Coffee Stain knows what they are doing or not. They are doing it.
They can't send *any* personal data about us *before* doing opt-in, which must inform what kind of data it is, and *never* provide this data to 3rd parties, including Epic.