SPOILERS - Route C

[Neon_Clouds_ | TTV]

Am i the only one that finds the beginning of route C kinda BS? mainly when you are 9S and you cant attack, or dodge or anything and your screen gets all ♥♥♥♥♥♥? i have barley died in this game but this portion is just complete BS and really hurts my eyes (no games ever hurt my eyes even really flashy ones) it also seems like the difficulty skyrockets for absolutely no reason, route A & B were never this crazy. i was also told i play as 2A but im just 9S and 2B. i was looking forward to being 2A because they made her seem important then only used her for one short scene

[TheSeek]

All of this is done on purpose, and with a very specific reason.
This game aims at making the players actually feel like their protagonists and experience their struggles, so you aren't simply controlling them, you ARE them, so if something affects them, it will also affect you as a player, and one of the best examples is what you are experiencing right now: in most other games, when your character is aflicted with some status change like blind or confusion, the effect is simply that they will either attack random targets(confusion) or a near 100% miss for all their attacks(blind), but you as a player aren't affected, but since this game aims at making you experience the character struggles and situations first hand, so if the character(9S) is hit with an EMP attack which disables some of his functions and alters his sensors, you as a player will also be directly affected by being unable to perform some actions and have your actual screen(and sound, depends on which effect you get) be distorted.
The end result is that the blindness and confusion from those statuses changes isn't an artificially created impairment in the game, but one caused by you, the player controlling the character, is actually visually impaired and unable to control the character as you'd want.

The same reasoning and logic applies to the sudden difficulty increase: in this moment of the story, the androids thought they were about to win the war after having defeated Adam and Eve, but are instead faced with a horde of enemies far stronger than anticipated and are being utterly overwhelmed and defeated, so that's how you, the player, should feel too, and this is done by making you face a lot of enemies at once, all at a much higher level than anticipated, all with a new set of moves and aggressivity you never experienced in the game so far.

In short, for both cases, the things that happen in this game aren't simply events you as a player witness inm a passive way as the characters go through them, you experience them first hand in an active/interactive way by being directly affected as a player by those events.
And, without spoilers, the game will do more of stuff this later, in some ways that might feel even "worse" than this.

As for A2, yes you will play as her, but you need to reach the point in the story where that switch will happen, and you're not there yet.

[EleventhStar]

yeah i get why they do the visual impairment stuff.

but that's not the annoying part, the annoying part is that there is a vendor who sells the cure, but you had to buy it earlier in the game, you cant at the moment you actually need it as far as i know.

[Ogami]

The beginning of route C is only hard if you are underleveled because you did not do many or any of the side quests in A/B.
I seen players start route C with level 30 when the recommended level is 45+ .
I did everything in A/B and started C on level 51 which was higher then the enemies in the beginning of that route so it was no problem at all.
Its a JRPG in the end, some grinding for levels is expected unless you want to make it harder on yourself.

[Dusk of Oolacile]

If you skip the side quests, yes, it gets rough. You're supposed to be much higher level at that point and it shouldn't be any harder than what you had previously. At least one of the farming areas should be accessible. Go there and spend a few hours there.

[Neon_Clouds_ | TTV]

Originally posted by TheSeek:

All of this is done on purpose, and with a very specific reason.
This game aims at making the players actually feel like their protagonists and experience their struggles, so you aren't simply controlling them, you ARE them, so if something affects them, it will also affect you as a player, and one of the best examples is what you are experiencing right now: in most other games, when your character is aflicted with some status change like blind or confusion, the effect is simply that they will either attack random targets(confusion) or a near 100% miss for all their attacks(blind), but you as a player aren't affected, but since this game aims at making you experience the character struggles and situations first hand, so if the character(9S) is hit with an EMP attack which disables some of his functions and alters his sensors, you as a player will also be directly affected by being unable to perform some actions and have your actual screen(and sound, depends on which effect you get) be distorted.
The end result is that the blindness and confusion from those statuses changes isn't an artificially created impairment in the game, but one caused by you, the player controlling the character, is actually visually impaired and unable to control the character as you'd want.

The same reasoning and logic applies to the sudden difficulty increase: in this moment of the story, the androids thought they were about to win the war after having defeated Adam and Eve, but are instead faced with a horde of enemies far stronger than anticipated and are being utterly overwhelmed and defeated, so that's how you, the player, should feel too, and this is done by making you face a lot of enemies at once, all at a much higher level than anticipated, all with a new set of moves and aggressivity you never experienced in the game so far.

In short, for both cases, the things that happen in this game aren't simply events you as a player witness inm a passive way as the characters go through them, you experience them first hand in an active/interactive way by being directly affected as a player by those events.
And, without spoilers, the game will do more of stuff this later, in some ways that might feel even "worse" than this.

As for A2, yes you will play as her, but you need to reach the point in the story where that switch will happen, and you're not there yet.

thank you very much, i feel a bit better knowing its an intentional design choice and that i will get to be 2A at some point!

[Neon_Clouds_ | TTV]

Originally posted by Ogami:

The beginning of route C is only hard if you are underleveled because you did not do many or any of the side quests in A/B.
I seen players start route C with level 30 when the recommended level is 45+ .
I did everything in A/B and started C on level 51 which was higher then the enemies in the beginning of that route so it was no problem at all.
Its a JRPG in the end, some grinding for levels is expected unless you want to make it harder on yourself.

level 45 still seems under leveled as they send 60+ at you right from the start.
as for side quests, i did a fair bit but they were very boring so i stopped

[Neon_Clouds_ | TTV]

Originally posted by Dusk of Oolacile:

If you skip the side quests, yes, it gets rough. You're supposed to be much higher level at that point and it shouldn't be any harder than what you had previously. At least one of the farming areas should be accessible. Go there and spend a few hours there.

what are these farming spots you speak of?

[Neon_Clouds_ | TTV]

Originally posted by Neon_Clouds_ | TTV:

Originally posted by Ogami:

The beginning of route C is only hard if you are underleveled because you did not do many or any of the side quests in A/B.
I seen players start route C with level 30 when the recommended level is 45+ .
I did everything in A/B and started C on level 51 which was higher then the enemies in the beginning of that route so it was no problem at all.
Its a JRPG in the end, some grinding for levels is expected unless you want to make it harder on yourself.

level 45 still seems under leveled as they send 60+ at you right from the start.
as for side quests, i did a fair bit but they were very boring so i stopped

i was more worried about finding all the collectables

[Final_Fantandy]

its supposed to be super hard. just keep at it, and power through. the difficulty spike is 100% intentional. i did it at level 45 back when the game first came out on ps4, and i just did it again at level 42 on steam today.

if i can do it, you can do it!

[Dusk of Oolacile]

Originally posted by Neon_Clouds_ | TTV:

Originally posted by Dusk of Oolacile:

If you skip the side quests, yes, it gets rough. You're supposed to be much higher level at that point and it shouldn't be any harder than what you had previously. At least one of the farming areas should be accessible. Go there and spend a few hours there.

what are these farming spots you speak of?

You can go back to the places where you fight Adam in the desert and in the copied city for infinitely spawning enemies that get higher and higher level as you progress. Another good one is the rabbit statue in the park, though you won't be able to aggro it unless you're already very high level.

[Neon_Clouds_ | TTV]

Originally posted by Dusk of Oolacile:

Originally posted by Neon_Clouds_ | TTV:

what are these farming spots you speak of?

You can go back to the places where you fight Adam in the desert and in the copied city for infinitely spawning enemies that get higher and higher level as you progress. Another good one is the rabbit statue in the park, though you won't be able to aggro it unless you're already very high level.

Thank you very much! i dont exactly remember how to get to the copied city and didnt know enemies infinitely respawn

[Dusk of Oolacile]

Originally posted by Neon_Clouds_ | TTV:

Originally posted by Dusk of Oolacile:

You can go back to the places where you fight Adam in the desert and in the copied city for infinitely spawning enemies that get higher and higher level as you progress. Another good one is the rabbit statue in the park, though you won't be able to aggro it unless you're already very high level.

Thank you very much! i dont exactly remember how to get to the copied city and didnt know enemies infinitely respawn

City ruins cave, enter the cave, go to the right at the first intersection, take the elevator.

[Neon_Clouds_ | TTV]

Originally posted by Dusk of Oolacile:

Originally posted by Neon_Clouds_ | TTV:

Thank you very much! i dont exactly remember how to get to the copied city and didnt know enemies infinitely respawn

City ruins cave, enter the cave, go to the right at the first intersection, take the elevator.

thank you so much