The game would be a lot better without 9S

[Drunkenstein]

A2's existance is useless but 9S only serves as a delay in order to pretend the game is longer than it really is.
I mean it's pretty clear that's his purpose due to the chests that need hacking to open. Because it means you have to retrack all your steps from path A just to open them. And it gets far worse when you start playing as A2 because she also gets to do some hacking using the pod. While we may argue that she couldn't do it for more advanced hacking he does it still proves that 2B could open the doors/chests using the pod. But no, it has to be done by 9S. Why couldn't we just idk have the ability to swap characters at will then?

His fighting skill is also very poorly made because he sucks and at the same time owns it. Because his hacking skill can take out enemies that are way above his league as it does % damage. So it shows just how poorly designed he was.

And he also does not serve as a contrast to 2B because both can act differently depending on the situation. What I mean is sometimes it's 2B that acts out of emotion and against her personality, while 9S at times suggests the more aggressive route like with the carnival tank boss. But overall he is an obnoxious character. The game would be a lot better without him and A2 as well as she only serves as a stand in for 2B.

2B could have been the only playable character and the game would be far better as a result. She is in fact the reason this game has a following anyway.

[SENMSL]

Originally posted by Drunkenstein:

She is in fact the reason this game has a following anyway.

Do you even understand why this kind of game can have a following? And that jester is not awarded by me.

[Drunkenstein]

Originally posted by SENMSL:

Originally posted by Drunkenstein:

She is in fact the reason this game has a following anyway.

Do you even understand why this kind of game can have a following? And that jester is not awarded by me.

Yeah because a lot of people are horny for 2B

[SENMSL]

Originally posted by Drunkenstein:

2B could have been the only playable character and the game would be far better as a result

Originally posted by Drunkenstein:

because a lot of people are horny for 2B

[Drunkenstein]

Originally posted by SENMSL:

Originally posted by Drunkenstein:

2B could have been the only playable character and the game would be far better as a result

Originally posted by Drunkenstein:

because a lot of people are horny for 2B

I don't see how one contradicts the other, if you do please tell me. One is from gameplay persepective while the other is from laws of attraction.

[EleventhStar]

while i agree that route B is the weakest part of the game, 9s is the actual main character of the game. so be careful what you wish for, as it would be a lot easier to rewrite 2b and a2 as npcs or villains than it would be to remove 9s.

[amphiliz550]

To some extent I do agree, not for 9S to be removed, but to remove the section controlling 9S. The "story" was just gone while playing 9S. I was just: ok, let's do an world record and skip to A1 and 2B:s stories. I just never got the attachment to 9S during the first 2B chapter.
The "ass" might have something to do with that tho, who knows?

[ChaoticBolt]

9S is essential for story like it or not. During A route 2B needs sidekick at the times and C route is based around him so without him story would too plain and empty and EleventhStar has point it's lot about him and his extended insight into the matter.
And yeah repeating chapters in B route is annoying but rest of it might have more importance than A route which leades to other issue that once you could swap characters it would reduce 2B to brawn or pretty face of the team since 9S could just salvage all important data alone which wouldnt work either. If you watched last chapter it gets clear 2B needs to be deployed close to 9S. It's impossible to remove any of protagonists without significantly changing story.
Which reminds me that it's regretable game explored only single timeline except Emile. I would love to see possibility of A2 succesfully persuading 9S, restoration of 2B, defecting to machines or making peace with them, preventing epidemy both for village and androids. You name it. The alternate endings could be more than going troll.

[Drunkenstein]

Originally posted by ChaoticBolt:

9S is essential for story like it or not. During A route 2B needs sidekick at the times and C route is based around him so without him story would too plain and empty and EleventhStar has point it's lot about him and his extended insight into the matter.
And yeah repeating chapters in B route is annoying but rest of it might have more importance than A route which leades to other issue that once you could swap characters it would reduce 2B to brawn or pretty face of the team since 9S could just salvage all important data alone which wouldnt work either. If you watched last chapter it gets clear 2B needs to be deployed close to 9S. It's impossible to remove any of protagonists without significantly changing story.
Which reminds me that it's regretable game explored only single timeline except Emile. I would love to see possibility of A2 succesfully persuading 9S, restoration of 2B, defecting to machines or making peace with them, preventing epidemy both for village and androids. You name it. The alternate endings could be more than going troll.

You talk as if a story where he does not exist could not be written. It's not a game based on a book that it cannot be changed.

[EleventhStar]

Originally posted by Drunkenstein:

You talk as if a story where he does not exist could not be written. It's not a game based on a book that it cannot be changed.

you can't. the entire story is about his arc. without his arc it's a wildly different story. 2b is the sidekick.

what you could do is make his personality more likeable for a different audience.
or tell the A/B story in a similar style to the C/D story to improve the storytelling.

[Hezrou]

If you follow the lore of NieR, there wouldn't even be Automata without 9S.

He basically started everything that lead to the backdoor being a thing in the bunker in the first place. He perpetuated it all to be a neverending cycle. So technically, no 9S means no Automata.

You're welcome. lmao

[d3adf1sh]

the game is good like it is. they let you do different stuff throughout the 60 hrs you spent with it to keep things interesting. and it was also about telling a story and getting you emotionally involved so you actually feel something. i just finally finished it today and thought it was spectacular, wouldn't want it any other way. actually it would've been trash without the other protagonist.

i mean maybe it's just not your kind of game. next time look for ones with the "rogue like" tag so you don't have to worry about all the world building, character development and story telling stuff.

maybe try that new suicide squad game? i hear it's a real tear jerker.

[Drunkenstein]

Originally posted by d3adf1sh:

the game is good like it is. they let you do different stuff throughout the 60 hrs you spent with it to keep things interesting. and it was also about telling a story and getting you emotionally involved so you actually feel something. i just finally finished it today and thought it was spectacular, wouldn't want it any other way. actually it would've been trash without the other protagonist.

i mean maybe it's just not your kind of game. next time look for ones with the "rogue like" tag so you don't have to worry about all the world building, character development and story telling stuff.

maybe try that new suicide squad game? i hear it's a real tear jerker.

You must be joking if you think this game could make me feel anything. I'm not american, I keep my emotions in check. To make me sad you need things like the quest from the Witcher 3 where you encounter starving war orphans.
While these are robots who only display emotions for I presume a practical joke from the developers. They are no different from the machines I control at work.

[SENMSL]

Originally posted by Drunkenstein:

You must be joking if you think this game could make me feel anything. I'm not american, I keep my emotions in check. To make me sad you need things like the quest from the Witcher 3 where you encounter starving war orphans.
While these are robots who only display emotions for I presume a practical joke from the developers. They are no different from the machines I control at work.

O, come on, you understand nothing about Witcher 3 or american. U are just an Internet troll who equivalently wrote

Originally posted by Drunkenstein:

2B could have been the only playable character and the game would be far better as a result

Originally posted by Drunkenstein:

because a lot of people are horny for 2B

[Drunkenstein]

Originally posted by SENMSL:

Originally posted by Drunkenstein:

You must be joking if you think this game could make me feel anything. I'm not american, I keep my emotions in check. To make me sad you need things like the quest from the Witcher 3 where you encounter starving war orphans.
While these are robots who only display emotions for I presume a practical joke from the developers. They are no different from the machines I control at work.

O, come on, you understand nothing about Witcher 3 or american. U are just an Internet troll who equivalently wrote

Originally posted by Drunkenstein:

2B could have been the only playable character and the game would be far better as a result

Originally posted by Drunkenstein:

because a lot of people are horny for 2B

I don't see how these statements contradict one another if you do please tell me.

[EleventhStar]

Originally posted by Drunkenstein:

You must be joking if you think this game could make me feel anything. I'm not american, I keep my emotions in check. To make me sad you need things like the quest from the Witcher 3 where you encounter starving war orphans.

uhm... this game has a part with dying orphans?

While these are robots who only display emotions for I presume a practical joke from the developers. They are no different from the machines I control at work.

the ONLY person who ever says robots/androids don't have emotions is 2B, and the reason she tells that lie should be pretty obvious if you actually read the dialog in the game, which i'm kinda starting to doubt you did.