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SENMSL May 16, 2023 @ 11:23pm
Question about Plot and Character A2
So why does not 9S go on living a happy life with A2? As far as I know, android personalities are coded in the number in their names, so A2 and 2B are same. A2 also got the memory of 2B. Above all, A2 has a face as beautiful as 2B's, at least judging from free face-recognition packages I found online. I know 9S got stabbed by 2B often, so I do not find it reasonable for him to be furious when 2B got stabbed, as an adult. It seems a little too dramatic. I wonder why A2 just did not tell 9S that she has 2B's memory because this may well decrease 9S's eagerness to attack.
In addition, why does A2 have a same face to 2B? Isn't it delivering the same product twice?
And it seems to me that A2 has certain body parts even smaller than YorHa corpses. How is it possible? What is the technical purpose for this?
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=Palynzer= May 18, 2023 @ 10:08pm 
ROFL, go outside:steamfacepalm:
Bun May 18, 2023 @ 10:19pm 
I believe your answers will be answered in ending [E].
SENMSL May 18, 2023 @ 10:31pm 
Originally posted by Bun:
I believe your answers will be answered in ending [E].
How? To me, ending [E] is just to adapt this game to a wider range of customers. I take ending [C] as the most reasonable ending.
SENMSL May 18, 2023 @ 10:39pm 
Originally posted by Palynzer:
ROFL, go outside:steamfacepalm:
Do not laugh that hard. The face recognition part was true. And before I know androids recognize each other by identity frequency, I was asking how 9S could tell A2 from 2B and did not live a happy life with a wrong girlfriend.
EleventhStar May 19, 2023 @ 10:06am 
the memories aren't a imprint/override, the original personality stays dominant. (kinda important for a military unit, otherwise the easiest defense against hacking would just be to upload your own memories to the hacker.)

the A model was prototypes so her body is more primitive than the production models.
Last edited by EleventhStar; May 19, 2023 @ 10:09am
SENMSL May 19, 2023 @ 10:54am 
Originally posted by EleventhStar:
the memories aren't a imprint/override, the original personality stays dominant. (kinda important for a military unit, otherwise the easiest defense against hacking would just be to upload your own memories to the hacker.)

the A model was prototypes so her body is more primitive than the production models.
As I understand, number 2 means A2 and 2B have exactly same personality.
That does not explain why A2's body part below shoulder and above waist is smaller than even corpses. That part is not supposed to be functional and regardless of primitive or production.
EleventhStar May 19, 2023 @ 11:12am 
could just be her own choice.

Q4. Do androids, as well as Adam and Eve, have reproductive organs? Do they use them?
They do not have them right after their ‘birth’. Since reproductive organs were hidden in most of the information from humans, they failed to copy those organs. However, during their learning process, they may gain body parts that serve as reproductive organs. Since they can copy anything, they can create semen, change their sex, and even mimic pregnancy to a certain extent, but since they cannot become truly organic lifeforms, they will not be able to undergo insemination or mitosis. They can only create very convincing imitations of the real thing using other materials.
SENMSL May 19, 2023 @ 11:25am 
Originally posted by EleventhStar:
could just be her own choice.

Q4. Do androids, as well as Adam and Eve, have reproductive organs? Do they use them?
They do not have them right after their ‘birth’. Since reproductive organs were hidden in most of the information from humans, they failed to copy those organs. However, during their learning process, they may gain body parts that serve as reproductive organs. Since they can copy anything, they can create semen, change their sex, and even mimic pregnancy to a certain extent, but since they cannot become truly organic lifeforms, they will not be able to undergo insemination or mitosis. They can only create very convincing imitations of the real thing using other materials.
You mean she choose to have a body part below-shoulder-and-above-waist that small and another body part below-waist-and-above-thigh-and-at-back that curvy? And she chose to wear clothes like that? Not making sense to me.
SENMSL May 19, 2023 @ 11:35am 
Originally posted by Mako:
Its not the same personality. A2 belongs to prototype test run, 2B is a production model. 2B is only based on A2.
And since A2 deserted yorha and went rogue simply copypasting her personality to production model would be very very stupid. Especially into a unit designed to execute those who go rogue or snoop around too much. At the very least production model needed to be much more loyal and stoic.
Also even after acquiring 2B's memories A2 can still tell which memories belong to who.

"I take ending [C] as the most reasonable ending."
And I consider it the worst. Destroying machines tower/arc after learning its true purpose is pointless. It just makes everything up to this point lose any meaning.
Would you elaborate "Destroying machines tower/arc after learning its true purpose is pointless". I remember it was an artillery system and I cannot remember who actually destroyed it.
SENMSL May 19, 2023 @ 11:51am 
Originally posted by Mako:
You should probably replay last fight and dialogue right before it.
A2 destroyed it. And it wasnt a weapon, it was supposed to shoot an arc into space. With all sentient machines that are still part of the network inside it. To leave Earth, explore space and eventually find their own home.
In ending D arc gets launched into space and 9S gets a choice, join or stay (and die).
Did A2 know it would launch a life pod instead of remaining a serious threat when destroying it?
In my personal view, it's just one of the means to soften the story for better sales. It's no better than making characters die completely, in reasonable ways, then reviving them.
SENMSL May 19, 2023 @ 11:53am 
Originally posted by Mako:
Originally posted by xcjtom:
You mean she choose to have a body part below-shoulder-and-above-waist that small and another body part below-waist-and-above-thigh-and-at-back that curvy? And she chose to wear clothes like that? Not making sense to me.
Aside from small piece that gets blown away when using berserk A2 is completely naked. All black parts on her body is underskin. Spots where her artificial skin got destroyed or peeled off.
Oh, so her clothes covers only belly. Would you elaborate or make some exploration on how the skin of particular body parts could get destroyed or peeled off?
EleventhStar May 19, 2023 @ 12:03pm 
Originally posted by xcjtom:
Did A2 know it would launch a life pod instead of remaining a serious threat when destroying it?
In my personal view, it's just one of the means to soften the story for better sales. It's no better than making characters die completely, in reasonable ways, then reviving them.

she never particularly tried to find out iirc.

but on the flipside it's not entirely clear if it's actually an arc or a last line defense system/death hallucination in the 9S part either.

you can kinda make up your own mind if you want.
SENMSL May 19, 2023 @ 12:34pm 
Originally posted by Mako:
Originally posted by xcjtom:
Oh, so her clothes covers only belly. Would you elaborate or make some exploration on how the skin of particular body parts could get destroyed or peeled off?
Why this needs to be explained?
At the end of a day she's a robot. Your computer will still work even if you remove its case. Her outer skin was damaged in some battles that happeded at some point in the past.
Production yorha units get their bodies constantly replaced and repaired. A2 doesnt get such luxury.



Originally posted by EleventhStar:
she never particularly tried to find out iirc.

but on the flipside it's not entirely clear if it's actually an arc or a last line defense system/death hallucination in the 9S part either.

you can kinda make up your own mind if you want.
Machines know there are no humans on the moon. Why would they bother making something this big to destroy something that doesnt exist?
Strategical artillery is always a worthy target.
So how did the serious damages on A2's body end up in a bikini pattern?
EleventhStar May 19, 2023 @ 12:52pm 
Originally posted by Mako:
Machines know there are no humans on the moon. Why would they bother making something this big to destroy something that doesnt exist?

who knows. they could have launched themselves into space at any point in history.

and if the whole idea only came about after adam/eve were born, then it's not very hard for them to build so then they could basically have done it for the lolz.

this type of detail is something i try not to think to hard about after i heard yoko taro say "it's about emotions, the plot doesn't always make sense" multiple times in interviews.
SENMSL May 19, 2023 @ 12:56pm 
Originally posted by Mako:
No. There is an archive entry you can find that describes tower's ability to compress absurd ammounts of information/data into its payload. This basically confirms its an arc. It shoots information, not bombs.

"So how did the serious damages on A2's body end up in a bikini pattern?"
Because Yoko Taro wanted it like this?
As long as it can function as artillery, it is a worthy target.
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Date Posted: May 16, 2023 @ 11:23pm
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