Any reason why the main character is so absurdly sexualized ?

[Quantum_Logic]

I mean seriously, I just wanted to play a cool action rpg, not to get blue balls after 5 minutes.

[Dis Lexic]

I think you might be missing my point. There is a difference between 'appealing' and 'sexulizing'. Ranni and Malenia are appealing and, even in her Goddess of Rot form, there is no real attempt to draw the eye to her form in a truly sexual way. Instead, its more intended to give the impression of power beyond the norm and possibly invoke some level of disgust due to the rot (although that has blatantly failed). There is absolutely nothing sexual about either of them IN GAME, which is where it is relevant to this conversation.

If your talking Elden Ring, most of them are pretty much identical in male and female versions, although I'm not even going to argue about other games, but we arent TALKING about other games here.

Bayonetta, 2B, Ivy and so on are sexulized because the game draws attention to their boobs, ass and crotch, with some of them taking it a step further and having the character practically ooze sex appeal in their dialogue and general attitude.

Incidentally, if you were to stick 2B into Ranni's place, outfits and all I would say that she is no longer being sexualized because, while she would still be completely droolworthy, the attention is no longer on her body or being drawn to it by the camera, her outfit and so on. Likewise, if we take Ranni and stick her in 2Bs outfit and position, she would be a lot more dangerous with 4 arms, but again, sexulized because of the situation.

That being said, you are right, there is an element of eye of the beholder here. I have seen cases where things have been accused of sexulizing characters when that clearly wasnt the intent by any stretch of the imagination.

[Squid Baron]

Yeah. There is a difference between being attractive or sexy and being 'sexualized.' Being sexualized is more about how the camera or story treats the character.

2B I would argue is only really sexualized by the self destruct feature and the achievement for looking up her skirt. It's obviously just there for fanservice to show off her ass and doesn't make much sense why it only destroys the clothing it does while leaving the rest unscathed.

Things like gratuitous breast or ass shots, or having a character accidentally trip and grab their breasts, or going out of the writer's way to put them into compromising situations etc would be sexualizing the character.

The Elden Ring girls, at least from what I've played of the game, are not sexualized at all unless there's some content I overlooked. It is a big game afterall.

[Overeagerdragon]

Originally posted by Dis Lexic:

I think you might be missing my point. There is a difference between 'appealing' and 'sexulizing'. Ranni and Malenia are appealing and, even in her Goddess of Rot form, there is no real attempt to draw the eye to her form in a truly sexual way. Instead, its more intended to give the impression of power beyond the norm and possibly invoke some level of disgust due to the rot (although that has blatantly failed). There is absolutely nothing sexual about either of them IN GAME, which is where it is relevant to this conversation.

If your talking Elden Ring, most of them are pretty much identical in male and female versions, although I'm not even going to argue about other games, but we arent TALKING about other games here.

Bayonetta, 2B, Ivy and so on are sexulized because the game draws attention to their boobs, ass and crotch, with some of them taking it a step further and having the character practically ooze sex appeal in their dialogue and general attitude.

Incidentally, if you were to stick 2B into Ranni's place, outfits and all I would say that she is no longer being sexualized because, while she would still be completely droolworthy, the attention is no longer on her body or being drawn to it by the camera, her outfit and so on. Likewise, if we take Ranni and stick her in 2Bs outfit and position, she would be a lot more dangerous with 4 arms, but again, sexulized because of the situation.

That being said, you are right, there is an element of eye of the beholder here. I have seen cases where things have been accused of sexulizing characters when that clearly wasnt the intent by any stretch of the imagination.

To further stipulate on what you're saying here... I've never seen 2B as overly sexualised UNTIL I saw the fanart and though most of that depict her without the skirt I much prefer her with one.... curiouser still, as you may have noticed, I think Ranni oozes sexuality but not in the way she looks but her mannerism... taste of the poisonous fruit maybe?
Likewise; as you stated yourself, Malenia's goddess form more repulses me than it attracts and for some reason she strikes me of way too arrogant; reducing her sexuality (in my eyes) to below freezing.

I didn't miss your point of appeal Vs sexuality however... I'm trying to say that both are beholden to the person who consumes the media involved. For me that means I like the appeal of characters like Ranni, Malenia, 2B, Ivy, Bayonetta... sure; but I don't see them as being overtly sexual characters....not unless I want to see them that way.

EDIT.... in thinking a bit further about it.... it's also why I liked the romancing lines in a game like Cyberpunk (corny as they might be) and got turned off by them in the Witcher and straightup hated those in GoW... (to go down an axis from sexy to sexualised to oversexualised)...
And I never meant to say Elden ring is oversexualised btw... I just say that there are definite design choices that had their basis rooted in fanservice just like Nier:Automata has.... but I still don't think Nier goes as far as Bayonetta in sexualising the main character....and before someone goes there... let's leave games like DOA:Beach volleyball out of this discussion at all huh ;)

[Thanous]

Originally posted by Hookworm:

Originally posted by YVIR:

Thats it? just 2 games? you people made it sound like a norm

You want a full list? Go check for yourself. You only got 2 example. And this western ugly girl syndrome is not just for games but cartoons too.

Hes right, if you havent noticed them making female characters ugly you havent been paying attention.

[@R+5]

theres nothing absurd about sexualizing characters, if you are able to understand some concepts like "fantasy", and "freedom of expression", and why they are relevant.

its only absurd when you want to, for example, communicate a value that contradicts the way you are presenting it. a guy or gal doing drag or travestism, and acting like a hardcore old school religious extremist would be both absurd, and maybe funny, as consequence of the obvious contradiction. Obviously same goes for someone that claims to value "freedom of expression" but promotes compelled speech or supports the sjw-activist approach (this one would be actually "tragic", since its following the logic of fear and abuse to supossedly try to prevent both)

[AvrorA]

Originally posted by Quantum_Logic:

I mean seriously, I just wanted to play a cool action rpg, not to get blue balls after 5 minutes.

Go whine elsewhere troll

[Sea Prince Gillywix]

I play this game for the plot.

Perfectly
Large
Oversized
Thighs

The less plot armor the better also. Whens the last time you saw a game that actually kills off their main and most likeable character for the rest of the playthrough?

[ekurisona]

back in the 1900s we used to say 'sex sells'

[@R+5]

Originally posted by ekurisona:

back in the 1900s we used to say 'sex sells'

back in the 1960s people wanted to be less like puritans, and even in the 1990s it was even ok among leftists to have attractive female characters that had a "sexually explicit persona" if the story and dialogue worked for a positive message, or a philosophical and or phychological reflection; only after the proto-sjw crew, the lgbtetc ideologues, and the politically correct managed to won more influence over the left is that everything began to turn "moronic". few leftists in the media in the 90s were as bad as the bigots we have seen at least in the last 10 years with cancel culture, and everything else (including the "pedo-friendly" education).

The bright side is that a lot of people are tired form them (those most radical, and most intelectually dishonest), specially big businesses after beginning to lose money and influence thanks to social rejection. So maybe those who are clowning like op will hopefully begin to fade from the spotlight, specially if people begin to demand removing radical political activists from teaching positions and the mainstream media. Is that, or accepting pedo-teachers in elementary schools, and compelled speech.

its also funny how their influence in western films and series has made people feel more interested into anime and asian, or "non-western" content, just to try to find something smart, or at least less polluted with ideological propaganda.

[Pantsuki]

Because Yoko Taro is absolutely based

[♥♥♥]

never understood why westerners seethe so much about fan service. Though, the fatty rate in US might be an answer

[Sea Prince Gillywix]

Originally posted by Jigger owner:

never understood why westerners seethe so much about fan service. Though, the fatty rate in US might be an answer

Most westerners are perfectly fine with 2B as she is now lol. Its the middle east that feels 2B should be covered up.

[Pericles-Chan]

What's wrong with the character being like that? It's not like there aren't women like that in real life. The creator was asked why he made 2B like that and he simply replied: Because I like it that way. Okay, it's his creative freedom.

I think the problem really is in the eye of the beholder, look down her skirt if you want. I think it's funny because in the game there are other characters like Adam and Eve who spend half the game naked or shirtless but I've never seen anyone talking about them being sexualized, even if they show more of their body than the protagonist.

[♥♥♥]

Originally posted by Sea Prince Gillywix:

Originally posted by Jigger owner:

never understood why westerners seethe so much about fan service. Though, the fatty rate in US might be an answer

Most westerners are perfectly fine with 2B as she is now lol. Its the middle east that feels 2B should be covered up.

I rarely hear alah akbars talk about any entertainment. Majority of them live in a ♥♥♥♥ hole with no internet access. But I do see a lot of coping on western side. Particularly the pink haired troglodytes with the left views

[Sea Prince Gillywix]

Originally posted by Jigger owner TTV:

Originally posted by Sea Prince Gillywix:

Most westerners are perfectly fine with 2B as she is now lol. Its the middle east that feels 2B should be covered up.

I rarely hear alah akbars talk about any entertainment. Majority of them live in a ♥♥♥♥ hole with no internet access. But I do see a lot of coping on western side. Particularly the pink haired troglodytes with the left views

Just cause they don't have as much easy internet access, doesn't mean they don't oppose it more. If Nier Automata was made in Saudi Arabia, she would have to be wearing a hijab and full covering clothing while being an obedient Islamic woman with a man controller her.