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You playing this or not changes anything. Your opinion is irrerelevant. YOU are irrelevant.
The game got best soundtrack and best narrative at the 2017 game awards. And you seriously judge the entire combat system of a game by watching a few minutes of video? Jesus.
If nothing else, people really really like this game for the genius of the way the narrative is integrated into the gameplay. You have to dig a bit to really understand what everything means, and most of it can be easily glossed over if you are just playing for the fighting, but it's all there, and it's frickin cool.
I wouldn't call it the best game ever, but it does what it does really well, and all that buzz about "oh 2b's ass oh big weeb swords oh" is just people meme'ing about the things that are easily meme'able. And in retrospect, Yoko Taro adding those easily meme'able things was a genius business decision, because without it, would anyone other than narrative geeks and cult fans of the original nier be talking about this game 5 years after its release?
But it did keep popping up on Steam, Square Enix and I go way back, and I just found myself without anything I actually wanted to play in my library.
A perfect storm, then, that I saw it on sale after sitting ignored for years in my wishlist.
I was...uh...not expecting to be staring at a swishing skirt teasing an unnecessarily-white thong between an android's buttcheeks, honestly. I kinda thought we were past the days when the only way we'd see a female lead was if she was designed to give erections to the players. Then again...it's Japan, so I shouldn't be surprised that 2B looks like she walked out of one of those Maid Cafes in Tokyo.
If that offends your sensibilities, I actually understand. I would opt for something less erotic if they gave me an outfit choice. However, she is what they made her to be, and I won't let that stop me from seeing what else this game has to offer.
What may stop me is the embarrassment I feel whenever my wife pops in to see what I'm playing. Hard to explain that this is a complex story with emotional depth when 2B is climbing a ladder...
Doesn't even noticed 2B's butt and stuff like that, and I'm not that kind of weeb/hack'n slash gamer.
But this game got me right in the feels. Beautiful in every way.
Some Japanese habits are weird for me, but I prefer this game a thousand times over Woke of Us 2 and similar western atrocities.
I honestly just pulled it from my wishlist entirely after reading these two so am kinda made up in my mind anyway with too many literally thousands of hours worth other games to play. I feel like it's too much clouded by these sorts of people to point where it went from "it really is such a shame when a great game/thing gets associated to its terrible fanbase" to "...wow this really is basically just the same problems as the fanbase in the game"
This comment meanwhile was almost singlehandedly able to make me renege on my original decision
Also a good point although idk what BGM is, big gaming moments? A character?
Yeah I am aware of that but however much there's the other stuff I first of all really, really don't like Japanese games/media stuff and secondly was more interested in it just because it allegedly had some philosphical or deep bent to it, being more atmospheric story and pondering on life to it than a game...but then I had to look more closely at the fanbase and who told me all this
I should point out I read the whole thread believe it or not simply abandoned it like whoever said "he must be trolling" no, these were legitimate questions, that the fanbase of weeb ♥♥♥♥ in general need to question their own lives over. Am I completely fed up with incel NEET weeb infested communities of toxic sociopaths and relards as well? Yes this too. Sorry I'm tired af right now but basically yes, I am completely serious, and yes, you guys really do need to question your own interests sometimes, like that guy who made me laugh IRL as he was trying to describe to his wife "you don't understand it's a really deep philosophical game!" to his wife while the skirt swishing anime character is walking up a ladder, and it just sounded like that meme made into real life "you don't understand dad it's a deep philosophical" blah while watching anime. Anyway
Like I get what you're trying to say, but yeesh. And Square Enix is a terrible ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ metric to go by, considering what I really thought about everything surrounding Deus Ex Mankind Divided, from the horrible meta-dystopian story of DX:HR basically turning a real cyberpunk dystopian conspiracy game into "durr hurr the only problem in society is lack of access to consumer goods and not hacking your limb off to install ProprietaryTM hardware and firmware" to them straight up selling ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ XP packs as one save slot use DLCs. So yeah no, Square Enix does not make me want to purchase this game, but in fact the complete opposite, which merely dwelling on DX:MD and attaching it to that game as having any writing direction at all makes me dread NieR.
Ah yes and it was also this post I was thinking of, which I've come to believe a lot of the toxic most imbecilic and redditor/twitch tier ♥♥♥♥ posters on here don't even know what trolling is and misuse the word for basically meaning "someone who disagrees with me." I've seen it particularly used a lot in either immature or more autistic game forums on here. FYI this is a very sincere question and matter of opinion here, partly which is already spoilering aspects to this game, re-remembering the impossibly irritating sounding consolized auto-save systemit's interesting from an artistic perspective but I ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ HATE consolized bs and either snap to cover shooters, coop, bullet sponging, or autosave/checkpoint systems rather than our God given right to manual save menu as PC gamers to its relation to other games/universe I've no interest in playing, to the very dubious aspects of its purported storytelling considering I could also as easily see the same sort of NEET writing whole tvtropes articles based on "meta story" for a Mario arcade game to invent substance for something where it doesn't exist. So, there's that latter aspect.
As to things being memeable, if it's so easily memed on then it's getting memed for a reason, which is there being some truth to that, which funny you should mention Steam awards on the same post. Steam awards has been complete utter TRASH for a great many years now, and it's only been getting worse in every passing year, from literal who's to complete triple A trash nominees; I've not given one whit about what Steam award had to say about damn near anything in ages now. So in that respect, Valve's annual award showcase is to me now bordering on IGN reviews tier, maybe not the exact year as this game, but Steam Choice 2022 is seriously going to be like listening to the Verge tell me how to build gaming PCs or listening to IGN "journalists" review Alien Isolation and Ruiner.
As to the last part, that really is a significant part of my decision and why I'm so suspicious of the game at all, where I constantly see the most amazing rationalizations to something being terrible by anime fans. Like would any of you people seriously try and rationalize or tell me some absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on a Western title is a "genius marketing decision"? No. No you would not. In fact Steam is filled with people crying about say SJWs every single day on every thread no matter how unrelated, rather than simping for the developers saying "it's really a genius business move to include that annoying character."
No, a game development decision made for business reasons is the total polar opposite to a thing being done as art. Art is not something that peaceably coexists well with decisions by committee and marketing teams and MBA majors, in fact that has more universally trashed any game period in the history of gaming itself than all wokeness combined, and if it's done to this game then that has tanked it a star no matter the "business success" to the move. It is similarly for this reason that I became so suspicious to anime stuff generally, because the whole mindset itself seems poisonous to me, like a heroin junkie or meth addict, and is willing to excuse anything no matter how atrocious so long as it can be seen as "derp anime is art durr masterful Japanese publisher hurr" and I don't mean this to you personally, but the very fact you'd try and excuse it this way is why I am so suspicious.
Before going on I'd furthermore like to add that I actually had to drop Othercide because I didn't imagine what a weebfest it was when I bought it, and is a thing I find hard to grasp easily in the English language to describe how subtly and insidiously terrible is anime's touch. Like I just open it up and there's some truly perverse, subtly twisted thing about sisters and mothers, some kind of warped thinking appealing to hikkis or incels, the kind of thing that just turns me off from it completely because the whole mindset is twisted in its bizarre fixations. Like it is not enough for me to be fighting monsters in something aesthetic af in Othercide, but becomes this bizarre ♥♥♥♥ show with mother sacrificing the sisters and everything is oversexualized etc. It often feels almost like this peek into the mind of a future mass shooter or something like that, but not. Like I said, it is really hard for me to encapsulate or put into words well, but feels like some taint, like Slaanesh itself has touched a thing and tainted it with an incurable corruption, is what the touch of anime feels like to me.
This also is a pretty good summation of the type of pompous shallow ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sent masquerading as "deep thoughts" I'm speaking about as per the story. Like there is nothing deep or philosophical in this post at all. I don't care how much money they did or didn't make; I don't care how popular a thing is, hell if anything its popularity could indicate trash. Facebook is popular and so is twitter and they're both cesspools of irredeemable garbage which is why I avoid them. I don't play Fortnite, nor do I care how much money they made from it, however me dedicating the next 70 hours of my life to a thing I will come to hate WILL matter as I don't gain that back, whereas an excellent game such as KOTOR or VTMB or Planescape DOES matter as it will leave an indelible impact on me.
It's pretty much the sort of self involved soft-nihilism and relativism I come to expect of a manchild who thinks depth is knowing the name Sartre or Nietzche having read neither of them basically.
So, thanks you guys for also talking about this. Had I not started that thread I'd likely have said "yeah well whatever it's on sale" and then promptly forgotten about it for the next year, only to find out I hated it and to discover the hardway it's apparently got horrible controls for PC. If somebody can fix this and actually links a mod to it here that's cool, if you really think that game is worth playing, because having issues and not fixing it years later on a backlogged game also is frustrating.
Fair enough, sounds about my estimation to them. I keep hearing this about its story but I guess nobody ever fully described how it's supposedly good, and that is what I hitched on originally that people say it is good, but I've played allegedly "good stories" turning out to be infuriatingly awful before.
Yeah well again, it's a total irrelevance to me because I don't care about games for that and traditionally found it a really bad red flag to it being bad, like paying Hollywood actors to shill for it. Case in point: mAss Effect. Total garbage of a game, ME2 basically got sold by being a really softcore dating sim mechanic on the side, that I routinely blow off in all games because bish I'm saving the galaxy from apocalyptic threats I don't care a whit about your relationship drama if I wanted that I'd go outside and pick up my phone. It confuses me why they'd even include that like a social sim, maybe for people with severe autism I dunno, but I often found it an awful tedium to skip through. I know ME got flack by he usual Fox 'news' durrr gaming is bad crowd, usual "let's censor videogames" tier idiots who called it a porn simulator, and similarly to be fair they came down on that specifically because of the 14yos who played Mass Effect rather than go on a date or go on ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for some reason.
So is the butt of a CGI character relevant? No. Should it factor in to a $30 more importantly 30+ hour decision? Nope. In fact I've found the more a gimmick gets pushed to sell a product, the more it means your product sucks. Hence me opening the topic to begin with, because even the reviewers couldn't help themselves but talk about it, which is so much worse when it's anime because now it's like a cartoon of a cartoon. Like I can get if maybe you're a furry, you'd like a furry-esque game, but if all you're talking about in Mutant Year Zero or Master of Orion reviews is "but dat fursona" then obviously I'm going to think this game might be secretly trash.
Again it's what I mean. Like what even for? Unable to even abstain from talking about ass in that post, despite the fact you want to talk about a 2deep4u game, which people say about the story but never even described how it impacted them for example. So do I believe it is way overglorified purely on merit of having a skirt and anime? Yeah. I do. Where's the deep story or philosophical musings? I haven't seen it. I recognize that it is a major spoiler alert to tell me how it's deep, but even with reading about it I just don't see much beyond a massive anime sword wielding fightan roguelike game is how it comes across.
I've also played neither FYI and ended up not getting Doom Eternal just because I hate Steam and don't want to give Todd my money. I'm not into fighting games, FPS, and console stuff among others anyway, so purely came out of my love for art/deep stories.
As you can see though, part of the problem is the playerbase.
Like I can clearly talk about Ghost in the Shell, and how it was the one anime I didn't hate, and do think it was deeper, but I wouldn't rave about it being *that* deep. Just, acceptably so. At the same time, I'd find it deeply troubling if all anyone talked about was a female anime character, and fixates on that rather than outlining the cyberpunk dystopia and its parallels to our world and the terrible existential and societal questions that arise.
But of course then I come here and all I seem to get is
>but 2B's ass
>oh yeah it has a story
So I pulled it from my list because I work fulltime and have literally hundreds of other games to choose from any one of which could be a less aggravating, deeper sounding experience than this game. I already wasted countless hours on The Walking Dead by TellTale, the first time I passionately hateplayed something it was such a dumpsterfire, and abandoned A Plague Tale because it didn't have a great story and the game itself was crap, and really I don't want to waste precious hours on it. ♥♥♥♥. I should just take work off tomorrow tbh
....God I want to use my time off to just do my taxes and find a good game to settle on for the weekend...
Furthermore, the likely reason why some people here see your post/question as negative or trolling one is cause you come here to ask others what are the reasons to play this game, presumably cause you want to know this from those who have played it, but then go on to dismiss their given reasons as weebish trash opinions coming from users with anime avatars, justifying and explaining why their given reasons are trash by repeating the same things we always hear from people who have not played the game and thus really have no idea what they're talking about.
To summarize, you ask people who played the game to answer your questions, and then dismiss their answers as trash countering them with opinions you read elsewhere which we recognize as coming from those who did not play the game cause they're incredibly inaccurate and superficial such as thinking this game is considered deep cause it namedrops Sartre and Nietzche.
To give a small spoilerless example of what i mean, the game is not considered deep for some of the philosophy it presents, as those are, as i said, a small portion of the context in which the story happens, but cause of how it delivers the story through gameplay, doing many things other games don't even dare to do, messing up with players' expectations and emotions, forcing them to do things they'd rather not do if they want to progress cause doing things you have to even if you don't want to is one of the themes of the game and story, same goes for some required repetition and the frustration that repetition brings, they're both part of the main story, and what these aspects mean for the characters are as well.
How the entire game structure mirrors and matches the presented story, from the side quests structure(as in, what you're asked to do in each side quest), to how side quests in general are handled and what kind information they provide and how it might tie back to some main plot events, to how gameplay shifts depending on camera position, to how different characters feature different playstyles and mechanics to reflect the themes they're supposed to carry, etc, that's why people consider this game deep, cause it goes far and beyond to shape its gameplay and structure to match the presented story and make you, the player and your feelings going through it, an active storytelling device to deliver the story, not cause it does a few namedrops and not cause it features some philosophical point of view(which btw, come from some side characters, not from the game story itself).
About the game being memed about, guess what? That too comes from people who have not played the game, cause those memes are often extremely inaccurate to how the game actually is, or are based exclusively off of 2B's appereance, overexaggerated by the meme itself and the tasteless super sexualized fanart this game often gets. People see 2B's fanart where she's extremely sexualized and automatically assume she is sexualized in the game, but guess what, she's not, as literally ALL the camera angles and exposed ass shots you might see around come from people purposedly removing 2B's skirt and purposedly moving the camera to frame her ass, cause the game doesn't do it at all, there's no "panty shot" moments, no embarassing allusions, not even any mention of sex at all, except one time during a side quest where a character asks how children are made, and the reply is essentially none cause the protagonists, being androids, don't really know either. The ONE thing in the game that might potentially be considered sexualization, but i'd struggle to call it such tbh, is that moving the camera to peek under 2B's skirt will make her move away in a "what the heck are you doing" motion, that's it.
You think this game follows the usual and honestly annoying anime tropes? It doesn't, there's no power of friendship or "i'm sure we can do this together" moments, and when something vaguely similar is even brought up, it's the game itself that immediately treats it as some childish behavior or as some useless wishful thinking by having another character reply dismissively.
I too don't like anime games, as they're more often than not full of these tropes, either in the main story themes(the hero just causally happens to be the chosen one, they are moved by some morally just motivation, they need to stop the forced of evil or some mischievous organization, etc), or with multiple lines of dialogue or entire moments that are often copypasted from some actual anime or are so generic you literally find them in any anime(see "beach episode", "guy enters room while girl is changing/mistakenly sees girl naked" moments, "im the big brother/sister i'm supposed to be reliable", "people count on me, so i can't fail", "stupid guy does stupid thing to show off and ends up making a fool of himself" moments, etc), and there is literally none of that in this game.
There are a few tropes obviously, hard to find any kind of fictional story that has none at all, but they're mostly writing or situational theme tropes, not anime ones.
I wouldn't even consider this to be an anime game at all, as other than being made in japan, having japanese characters style, and having very non-defining stuff such as a flying unit that transforms into a robot and a basic post apocalyptic sci-fi anime trope starting point, it really has nothing to do with anime and definitely doesn't feel like an anime game at all.
To conclude, take what i said as you will, but if all you do is dismiss the answers you receive from those who played the game, calling them manchildrem, judging them for their avatar, and countering their replies by repeating that theirs is "typical anime thinking" and by repeating negative opinions you saw elsewhere which are incredibly inaccurate to the actual game and coming from those who haven't played it, you will come off as a troll, even if you're not and even if your question is genuine, cause that's literally what trolls do and have been doing for the past 5 years since this game was released.
Surely most of the players went through the entire playthrough multiple times due to some dating options... what a narrow sight damn.
...Jesus Christ I'm having flashbacks to that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ awful console port boss fight of the reaper skeleton holy Christ the ♥♥♥♥ were they even thinking I mean damn
Seeing the ones that are directly visible on the store page, which are the most helpful in the last 30 days:
1 "come for booba and leave with sorrow"
2 technical review giving simple checkbox information about every aspect of the game, literally praising every aspect of it and giving it a 10/10 score
3 "one of the best games i've ever played", but also added "i wont bother with hacking mechanic for the true ending", meaning this person didn't finish the game and didn't even reach the halfway point of it, yet it still consider it one of the best games.
4 meme ASCII image, only 7 hours in, wrote review when they were 2 hours in, meaning they were barely out of the prologue, so not really played enough to actually give an insightful review
5 praising every aspect of the game
6 giving a X/10 score to some aspects, 2 8/10 and 2 10/10
7 ASCII image, but this is literally the only review this user has ever done
8 another ASCII image, nothing else, so we can safely discard this as a "review" left just for the sake of it rather than to actually review the game
9 "I started this game thinking I overestimated it. Turns out I underestimated it."
10 technical issue
So out of 10 reviews in the store page, 5 straight up praise it as an excellent game, one speaks of one technical issue, 3 ASCII images(2 of which can be safely discarded as they're literally not reviews, and the other one comes from someone who barely started the game), and only 1 being focused on 2B's appereance, and even if it does meme about it, it basically says that 2B's appereance is definitely not why they like the game.
So from these, i wouldn't really say that the reviews are memes and focusing on 2B, on the contrary, i'd say they literally show there's much more than that and literally say it's one of the best games out there.
But then again, these are the most useful ones in the last 30 days...so let's click to see more reviews, which are automatically sorted as the most useful of all time:
the very first review we're shown is a very lengthy one, opening with "Wow, I honestly don't even know where to start with this review. I have not been blown away by a game on this level in such a long time and I feel somewhere in my heart I won't find another game to match this feeling at all. I had high expectations for NieR:Autotmata but it surpassed it in every single way." and continues praising every single aspect of it, but also mentioning some cons, which are mostly technical issues which have been solved.
Moving along, but without listing and lingering on every single review, most of them are lengthy reviews, praising the various aspects of the game, some even mentioning the same things i said, others are more brief but still sèemd enough words to praise the game as one of the best they've ever played, saying it's a great one or even a masterpiece, that it exceeded their expectations and went well beyond, and then there's a small handful of on liners ones, which yes, they're mostly "memes", but since they're all a variation of the same "meme" review found on the store page, such as "Came for the thighs, left with the cries.", "Brought some tissues but never thought I'd use them for tears", "Came for the booty, stayed for the philosophy", it's clear that despite being memes, they're still a meme that clearly say "there is much more to this game than 2B's appereance".
So, why do i think your impression comes from somewhere else? Cause the reviews clearly aren't as meme-ish as you make them to be, they literally go in depth to explain why this is a great game, when they don't go in depth they still praise it with high scores on each aspect of it, and the few meme one lines still point at a game that is much more than 2B's ass. So no, the reviews really don't give the picture you're saying they give, at all.
You also mentioned the discussions, but looking at the discussion page, there is one topic about 2B's ass, the rest of the most recent ones are technical questions, and even when go on moving onto the other pages, they're still technical questions, with a few story related questions with replies explaining stuff, other lengthy threads similar to this one you made where nearly everyone replied the same things, being that there is much more to this game than 2B's appereance.
Even in this very topic of yours, the first reply you got was that yes, they'd be playing and praising this game even if it didn't have 2B and her ass, and the rest of the replies praised the game story, gameplay, sound track, delivery, and others who, just like the reviews, said literally that there is much more than just 2B's ass.
But out of the 15-20 replies you got, you decided to cherry pick the only 2 ones who said that 2B and her ass are reasons to play the game.
So, to sum it up, the reviews aren't as meme-ish as you claim them to be but actually go in depth when you instead claim they don't, the discussions here don't really focus on 2B's ass at all, and the replies you got here confirm and reiterate all of this, but still you say that the reviews, discussions, and replies you got here are nothing but memes and 2B's ass used as a reason to play the game.
So what you claim is false, and either your source for the impression you get isn't really the reviews and discussions here, or you're cherry picking the meme ones while ignoring the vast majority ones which actually spend quite a few words to actually describe the game, often without ever mentioning 2B's appereance at all.
This game's story is about endless cycles of struggling beyond conflict, rejecting God and the creators etc. Even if some sentence is align with the feminist philosophy, the story doesn't project any feminist ideas towards the players at all.
So, do I care if a random NPC named after a feminist philosopher? Hell no, nobody cares if it doesn't affect the story, which is actually happened.
Compare this narrative with Woke of Us 2, then think again.
I'm not sure how you got those other "facts" of yours, I hope you have a tin foil hat on, m8.