Big problem with hacking

[Alfon]

Ok, I finished the first route a few weeks ago, and I loved it. I thought that I was gonna love this game like any other. But I found a problem... in the second route, that left me out: I hate hacking. I hate it. I hate it so much. It took me 30 minutes to finish the first boss because of hacking. I don't want to learn that ♥♥♥♥, I am not playing nier to be 30 minutes with a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mini game that's worse than pac-man.

Seriously, I need help. Is there some way to cheat my way out of that ♥♥♥♥? I have been trying to make my mind for weeks but now I can't continue: Whether I abandon the game or find another solution, I want it fixed soon.

So, is there some way or some reliable mod to help me, please?

[TheSeek]

There's no way to avoid hacking, especially since it will be the main focus of some extremely important sections during route B.
If it's of any help, being frustrated by parts you don't like yet learning them and pushing through them anyway is part of the experience this game aims to deliver.

To say it in a more "conceptual" way, being frustrated at some sections of the game is exactly what the game wants you to feel, exactly because to pass them you need to learn them despite the frustration(removing the frustration from the equation will 100% fail to deliver some important plot points).

Can't give more reasons as to why that's the case without spoiling the story.

[Alfon]

Originally posted by TheSeek:

There's no way to avoid hacking, especially since it will be the main focus of some extremely important sections during route B.
If it's of any help, being frustrated by parts you don't like yet learning them and pushing through them anyway is part of the experience this game aims to deliver.

To say it in a more "conceptual" way, being frustrated at some sections of the game is exactly what the game wants you to feel, exactly because to pass them you need to learn them despite the frustration(removing the frustration from the equation will 100% fail to deliver some important plot points).

Can't give more reasons as to why that's the case without spoiling the story.

Are you telling me that I am supposed to hate the most important gameplay section of the second route?

[TheSeek]

No, i'm telling you that you'll have to learn it because you can't avoid it as it's a big portion of Route B, regardless of how you hate it.
If you leveled up enough, you might be able to avoid having to use it in battle, even though some bosses requires it.
The only practical advice i can give is that, assuming you're playing on normal, the lock on button works while hacking as well, so you aren't forced to always aim manually, which makes it a lot easier.

As for what I meant about the frustration is that, although this is my personal opinion, the game purposedly puts you in non comfortable situations with the goal of making you go through them despite the hardship they represent. This is not specifically about hacking, but it can be: a lot of people hate or don't like hacking, others hate to not be able to play as 2B during route B, others don't like to have to "repeat" the events of route A again in route B(althought they're not identical and at some point there will be new sections), and so on...the point is that almost everyone finds something in route B that they don't like or would prefer to not have to deal with, but facing these feelings of not wanting to do those things is exactly the purpose of route B, to accept them and push through them despite not liking them.

There's a reason why one of the most common advice to new players is "keep going, don't stop even when you feel like stopping, push through", and this is part of that reason. And again, i can't say more without spoiling.

[Cacosubthree]

Most of the people who grew to hate the game did so because of the hacking part. There is no way around it since there are sections of the game where all you can do is hack like 9S' version for the part where you encounter the cult inside of the abandoned factory. Important story elements are tied to hacking.

One compromise I can think of is to play the game in easy mode and have an auto-hack chip. So that the game will just play itself during those parts, or at least during boss fights. You can defeat normal enemies with 9S' close range combat mechanics by mixing in dashes, jumps and pod programs to his single light attack. It is more challenging though. Setting 2B to aggressive during parts of the game when you have to raid enemies amd in boss fights will help too. You can do that until you unlock the next usable character.

Or maybe you should just stop playing the game at this point and just watch a YouTube let's play for the remaining parts of game. Hacking stays until the end of the game. There really is no proper way around it.

[TheSeek]

Originally posted by Cacosubthree:

Or maybe you should just stop playing the game at this point and just watch a YouTube let's play for the remaining parts of game

That's the best way to not enjoy or even understand the story though...most sidequests aren't present in let's plays, even important ones, and the player own experience is completely removed when you watch someone else play, and in this game the player own experiece is a central part of the story.

[Alfon]

What a way to ruin an otherwise perfect game. Ok, I am out. Freaking amazing. I have hundred of games to play and I don't play to suffer. There are one thousand amazing stories out there, so whatever.

This should appear in the reviews.

[TheSeek]

Originally posted by Sorenzor:

What a way to ruin an otherwise perfect game. Ok, I am out. Freaking amazing. I have hundred of games to play and I don't play to suffer. There are one thousand amazing stories out there, so whatever.

With no offense, your loss...this is a game about suffering, and a lot of the story is delivered through gameplay, making the player feel(not just empathize, but experiencing directly) what the protagonist go trhough.

Originally posted by Sorenzor:

This should appear in the reviews.

No, the reviews should absolutely not spoiler the game.
And in any case, trailers and reviews still talk and show the hacking sections, so it's not like it's not out there.

[Alfon]

Originally posted by TheSeek:

Originally posted by Sorenzor:

What a way to ruin an otherwise perfect game. Ok, I am out. Freaking amazing. I have hundred of games to play and I don't play to suffer. There are one thousand amazing stories out there, so whatever.

With no offense, your loss...this is a game about suffering, and a lot of the story is delivered through gameplay, making the player feel(not just empathize, but experiencing directly) what the protagonist go trhough.

Originally posted by Sorenzor:

This should appear in the reviews.

No, the reviews should absolutely not spoiler the game.
And in any case, trailers and reviews still talk and show the hacking sections, so it's not like it's not out there.

My loss? Your loss from my point of view. I still have some proud, I don't eat any ♥♥♥♥ just because it's very well wrapped.

And the reviews should ABSOLUTELY point out that the game force the player to play the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ atari game to advance once and again, and that half of the gameplay is build about that. If half of the people played through the second route (that they don't), the game wouldn't have such high scores, 300% sure.

[Cacosubthree]

It is a shame that you won't see the rest of it. The hacking minigame is fine for me and I am ok with it not being ok with you. I also think that you should not consider your opinion as everyone else's opinion. Honestly, that minigame makes much more sense than other hacking minigame out there. I understand that one of this game's criticism is about trying to be so many games at the same time and I also understand that some people likes keeping it simple and stick to a single mechanic all the way through. This is just not made that way.

[AnimeCarebear]

you literally don't tell us anything objective about why the hacking minigame is bad. you just say "I hate it" and are apparently extremely upset about it. "this should appear in the reviews". it has appeared in reviews. also, not every review needs to explain every mechanic of the game and also spoil parts of it. what's your source on nobody playing the second route too? this entire post makes less sense the more I read it. also I don't think your opinion should be taken into consideration at all when you harass anyone who tries to respond. it's literally so simple. it's not like the hacking game is hard at all. please tell me why the hacking game is objectively bad instead of just saying it's "♥♥♥♥" with no actual criticism and reason to fixing it.
P.S you should get that anger checked out by a therapist when you lash out at people like this.

[Agus]

1. You're just bad.

2. Bullet Hell is literally one of the genres this game is a part of, you should've known this.

3. Again, you're just bad at it. Don't say a game is bad cause you're bad lmao.

[ALFA_Q]

Originally posted by memeboy:

1. You're just bad.

2. Bullet Hell is literally one of the genres this game is a part of, you should've known this.

3. Again, you're just bad at it. Don't say a game is bad cause you're bad lmao.

Agreed lol. This post reminds me of people who complain about the difficulty in Sekiro and Dark Souls.

The only difference is that hacking in Nier is like an incredibly dumbed down version of a bullet hell game. I don't understand how someone could possibly find it that difficult...

It sounds like this person doesn't understand that you can aim while moving in different directions or is just retarded.

[NRUB]

Hacking is the easiest part of combat, to the point where it almost plays on its own. Just use target tracking like you do for pods (RB on XBox controller).