i have questions about the story (major spoilers)

[shtaklef]

i just completed endings A-E. the game is very nice :))) i am unsure of a few things

as i know aliens created the machines and that the humans created androids. adam and eve were created and they killed all the aliens. also all the humans became extinct. the androids became depressed so they created a lie by building a server on the moon to send transmissions to earth and they said that there are human survivors on the moon. yorha unit was built to defend that lie and the bunker was built on the moon. the lie was classified and only the yorha commander knew the truth. A2 discovered the truth so she ran away. anemone and all the resistance members are androids

i think i understood ending A. adam and eve were controlling the machines through the network. there were some machines that were not connected to the network like pascal. when adam died eve went crazy and that caused all the machines that were connected to the network to go crazy. 2B killed eve and 9S became infected with a logic virus so 2B killed 9S

in the second playthrough 9S discovers the lie. in the third playthrough 2B gets infected with the logic virus and A2 killed 2B. 9S sees that and he goes crazy and then towers appear and 9S and A2 infiltrate the tower and the final battle is between 9S and A2

here are my questions:-
1) is what i wrote above correct?
2) from where did the logic virus come from? from the machines or from the androids? in the third playthrough after the fight with the big machine some yorha units got infected with the virus and after when 2B and 9S go to the bunker to inform the commander about the virus, the commander says that this is a lie and then the other operators and the commander got infected with the virus and then the bunker exploded. why did all of this happen? my guess is that the logic virus is some protection developed by the androids to kill those who will discover the lie. am i right?
3) 9S got infected with a virus after hacking into eve in the final battle. is that the same virus as in question 2 or a different virus?
4) A2 looked at the computer in the resistance camp in the third playthrough and it said she was with other yorha members in some operation and the others got infected with virus. is that the same virus as question 2?
5) who are the red girls that made the towers that would originally destroy the moon? are they machines or androids?
6) what made the machines eat the other machines in the third playthrough?
7) i didnt understand the conversation between 9S and A2 before there battle. what did 9S mean they were all meant to die?
8) what exactly happened in ending E? the pods were supposed to erase all memories of A2, 9S and 2B but in the end they felt sorry and changed their minds and they uploaded the memories. why did that happen and to were where the memories uploaded? the bunker was destroyed
9) why was there a war between androids and machines?

[Psyntifik]

1) For the most part, but not entirely.

2) This question is a little trickier to answer when you take into account Machines and Androids are one-and-the-same. It was about maintaining the lie, but also machine evolution.

3) Yes, yes it was.

4) Again, yes it is. Maybe you should look into A2's involvment in the Pearl Harbour Descent, and just that operation in general. There's also an entire stageplay on it.

5) The red girl (N2) is the one that essentially kicked it all off. It's all about evolution.

6) It's almost literal. They were made to be killed. A2 and the Pearl Harbour Descent, 9S and his personal Execution model...
On top of that, the cycle of war. Androids fight Machines, evolution happens, Androids learn too much, Logic Virus goes through the backdoor, the war starts annew.

7) Much like out heroes, the Pod's gained independance. They freed themselves from the shackles of their command and 2B, 9S, and A2 live on (hence shooting the developers/producers).
As for their memories being uploaded, I'm not too sure what exactly you mean. Thye weren't "uploaded" anywhere special, thye were just given the freedom to do as they please... Should they die, they die. Should the whole series of events happen again, so be it.

8) "Why was there a war?" should really have been your first question. There was a war because there needed to be. They were partly fighting for the sake of it, but also because of N2's motives.
There is a decently sized PDF online somehwere that goes into more detail... I suggest you read it.

I tried to keep this brief, so things might not quite add up - but hopefully it's a starting point if you want to look into it further... Otherwise it would be a huge write up, and I really don't think I want to do that.

[shtaklef]

ok thanks

thus androids and machines are built from the same parts

the machines want to keep on evolving by fighting the androids. when the androids learn too much then they are killed with the logic virus

also i read that 2B has to kill 9S each time he learns too much

where is the pdf that i should read?

[Psyntifik]

Originally posted by shtaklef:

ok thanks

thus androids and machines are built from the same parts

the machines want to keep on evolving by fighting the androids. when the androids learn too much then they are killed with the logic virus

also i read that 2B has to kill 9S each time he learns too much

where is the pdf that i should read?

There's a few things I could touch up on here, but the PDF should do that (but you're mostly right).

Here[www.dropbox.com]

Happy reading!

There was a stageplay however that showed a prototype S model was responsible for the creation of YoRHa, and to perpetuate the lie about humans. It's a little contradictory, but the PDF was written before that I believe.
It's a tricky one to decipher, I'm sure someone else can explain that part better than me.

[mnb]

Originally posted by Psyntifik:

Originally posted by shtaklef:

ok thanks

thus androids and machines are built from the same parts

the machines want to keep on evolving by fighting the androids. when the androids learn too much then they are killed with the logic virus

also i read that 2B has to kill 9S each time he learns too much

where is the pdf that i should read?

There's a few things I could touch up on here, but the PDF should do that (but you're mostly right).

Here[www.dropbox.com]

Happy reading!

There was a stageplay however that showed a prototype S model was responsible for the creation of YoRHa, and to perpetuate the lie about humans. It's a little contradictory, but the PDF was written before that I believe.
It's a tricky one to decipher, I'm sure someone else can explain that part better than me.

It would be beter to just read the translated official side materials here[theark.wiki] and just ignore the PDF, since honestly most of it was disproven by said materials.

Androids and machines AREN'T built from the same parts and aren't one and the same. Only YoRHa androids are. Normal androids (like resistance members) =/= YoRHa.

N2 had absolutely nothing to do with YoRHa creation.

It was all done by normal androids. Basically, they needed a morale boost, so they did the whole YoRHa/humans on the moon thing. At one point YoRHa had to be eliminated so the lie won't leak, and because of that they were built from machine cores, since using normal tech was considered inhumane. One of the prototype YoRHa units found out about it, got mad and killed everyone involved, then twisted the project a bit (he added the backdoor to the Bunker for machines to find) and put it in motion.

https://theark.wiki/w/Project_YoRHa


To add to this, there was no cycle of war, no loops and anything like that (see the official timeline). Swapping to newer YoRHa models only happened once - during Pearl Harbor, where they sent older models (like A2) on a suicide mission.

[shtaklef]

i am sooooo confused now lol i will read the links

[Psyntifik]

Originally posted by mnb:

Androids and machines AREN'T built from the same parts and aren't one and the same. Only YoRHa androids are. Normal androids (like resistance members) =/= YoRHa.

Was that the implication I gave?
I just meant they were two sides of the same coin - if not to begin with, they are by this point.

Originally posted by mnb:

To add to this, there was no cycle of war, no loops and anything like that (see the official timeline). Swapping to newer YoRHa models only happened once - during Pearl Harbor, where they sent older models (like A2) on a suicide mission.

Was it not intended to continue on this way, regardless of the timeline up until that point?
If not, then that kind of leaves me with a headscratcher as far as certain characters motivations are concerned....

Thanks for The Ark link. I haven't really done any diving into this game since I finished it, so some things are a little hazey and this is definitely a more structured way to expand my knowledge.
I'm still in awe over the intricasies of this narrative.

[mnb]

Originally posted by Psyntifik:

Originally posted by mnb:

Androids and machines AREN'T built from the same parts and aren't one and the same. Only YoRHa androids are. Normal androids (like resistance members) =/= YoRHa.

Was that the implication I gave?
I just meant they were two sides of the same coin.

Ah, I see. It's a somewhat common misconception, so I thought that's what you've meant, sorry.

Originally posted by Psyntifik:

Was it not intended to continue on this way, regardless of the timeline up until that point?

That one is a bit of a headscratcher. Some of the in-game documents seem to imply that it was indeed supposed to be some sort a cycle (as in, they were supposed to be replaced by new models), but everything else in the side materials seems to counter it:

- All data about the project was supposed to be destroyed by the pods at the end of it, so there wouldn't be any data to continue the project from
- The Project YoRHa stage play/concert story heavily implies on it being a one time thing (especially the final No. 9 monologue)
- According to YoRHa Stage Play (it's that one about A2 backstory), N2 had access to the Bunker servers at least since the Pearl Harbor. Interestignly, that's when the first (and only one up to this point) model swap happened, and the documents mention that the servers backdoor will open when it's time to swap, so... looks like maybe N2 decided to wait a bit longer before using it?


Regardless, the cycle never happened before, and with the current state of things, it's rather unlikely it will happen any time soon. :p

[Exarch_Alpha]

Of course there were cycles of war. The last was being called the 13th Machine War OBVIOUSLY implies there were times of cold war, at least. Maybe not full peace but no large scale operations.

It´s also worth nothing the aircraft carrier was not YoRHa´s. We never know what happens outside the area of THAT resistance center. We DO know they launch rockets to ressuply the Bunker.

I really like the idea of a prequel to this game, I hope they do it.

[mnb]

Originally posted by Exarch_Alpha:

Of course there were cycles of war. The last was being called the 13th Machine War OBVIOUSLY implies there were times of cold war, at least. Maybe not full peace but no large scale operations.

It´s also worth nothing the aircraft carrier was not YoRHa´s. We never know what happens outside the area of THAT resistance center. We DO know they launch rockets to ressuply the Bunker.

I really like the idea of a prequel to this game, I hope they do it.

Cycles of war in that meaning, sure, what I meant was the looping Bunker destroying/rebuilding and new model generations.

Originally posted by Exarch_Alpha:

We DO know they launch rockets to ressuply the Bunker.

You mean the moon server? They do, but they are mostly empty anyway, since there's only one android gal and her pod maintaining the whole thing there according to the materials. :p

[Devilsreborn]

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