Do story/character get any better?

[Deadly.Crystal.Lizard]

Bought the game on sale yesterday, started it up today and just got to the part where i blow myself up together with softy boy mc S.

Wherein lies my question. Seems to me like the game banks on those grandiose moments to have an impact on the player, but does the story/character development get any deeper than that?

I mean 2B does not care when all her comrades get blown up besides her, but when the time for the big moment comes she(and in turn the player) is suddenly supposed to care for some annoying random dude you met literally 2 minutes before...aka every action shounen anime in existence ever. "Oh noooo, not 9S, you were my favorite charcterrrrr...." you get the point. The kind of writing that makes you roll your eyes.

Just to be clear: I'm not trying to ♥♥♥♥ on anything here!! I am only asking this, because I want to know what I'm in for. I find the gameplay to be fun, so I'll probably stick with it regardless, but I heard people say that this has a good story and I just don't want to set myself up for disappointed if it turns out to be the kind of pseudo-deep anime trope riddled story that the beginning seems to suggest.

Again, nothing against the game, I barely just started, I just want to know what to expect, since I expected something slightly different. Any (spoiler free if possible) insight apprechiated

[Gin-chan]

Postat inițial de lessthanoff:

I thought Kira Buckland did a great job as 2B, as well as the rest of the English cast.

Whoever voices 9S did the best job imo.

[Exarch_Alpha]

FFS OP just play the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game. What you are asking is like asking if Game of Thrones gets better after watching 2 episodes of season one. I read many stupid things in these forums but you take the cake this year so far.

[mnb]

Postat inițial de tsubaki.x:

IAs for the story, I felt that the more u play, the story goes down hill, don't get me wrong is a great story and unique but don't expect for a happy ending. I'm still kinda disappointed in some parts of the story

Ahem... Ending E

[Gosen]

Game is pretty boring until end of the second play-though, but you will get your reward for confusing and sometimes boring first 20 hours :P Plot-wise, I mean, because 9S is very irritating both as a person and as a gameplay, so you have to endure it :P

[lessthanoff]

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Postat inițial de lessthanoff:

I thought Kira Buckland did a great job as 2B, as well as the rest of the English cast.

Whoever voices 9S did the best job imo.

Yeah, Kyle McCarley absolutely nails it in Route C. His voice acting blew my mind.

[lessthanoff]

Postat inițial de Gosen:

Game is pretty boring until end of the second play-though, but you will get your reward for confusing and sometimes boring first 20 hours :P Plot-wise, I mean, because 9S is very irritating both as a person and as a gameplay, so you have to endure it :P

I thought 9S was the best character in the game in terms of story. But to each his own, I guess :-]

[Gosen]

Postat inițial de lessthanoff:

Postat inițial de Gosen:

Game is pretty boring until end of the second play-though, but you will get your reward for confusing and sometimes boring first 20 hours :P Plot-wise, I mean, because 9S is very irritating both as a person and as a gameplay, so you have to endure it :P

I thought 9S was the best character in the game in terms of story. But to each his own, I guess :-]

Only his role and thanks to hacking abilities, but plot-wise this character doesn't make any sense. Everyone in YORHA is female, 9S is the only male. Technology there should be advanced enough to make one android both combat and scout model. Even if not, the partner of 2B should be her twin or another female. 9S has very irritating character and if I could change one thing in this game as developer it would be removing this character. Hacking, same plot, but different character at least. If YORHA had males it would be okay to have male partner, but with more authentic and likeable personality.

[lessthanoff]

9S isn't the only male. Every scanner model is designed to look like a young boy. You see at least four others throughout the game, both in the main story and in side quests. They just have black hair instead of white hair.

I didn't find his character irritating. Initially, he is like a very optimistic kid, who is fighting for what he believes in. He always puts others before himself, especially when it comes to 2B, and even begins to overcome his own biases towards machines when he sees how similar to androids/humans they are.

He only goes nuts when he simultaneously learns that the humans he had been fighting for his entire life didn't exist, loses every single person he had ever known to the mass logic virus outbreak, watches his lover and only real friend left get stabbed to death, learns that androids and machines are the same exact thing, discovers that he and all of his comrades were being kept alive for the sole purpose of adding evolutionary pressure to a subset of the alien network and that their deaths were planned from the start, psychologically tortured by said subset of the alien network by being forced to fight the person he cared about more than anything multiple times, as well as being forced to fight Operator 21O, who reveals that 9S was like a son to her *AND* that 2B had killed him several times in the past and had stolen his memories of her again and again and again... I don't think I, or anyone else, would be particularly sane after all that.

[lessthanoff]

To me, the downward spiral that 9S goes through in Route C is the highlight of the game.

[Gosen]

Males are too rare in this game,so I don't remember anyone important, especially from Bunker.

9S treats commanders like nothing during conversations, it's army-like organization, programmed androids, yet he behaves like a spoiled carefree kid. Story around him is good, but 9S itself is very irritating to me as a character.

Besides YORCHA shouldn't have emotions, so after losing purpose they should auto-destruct or something, like millennia ago, before they actually developed consciousness. 2B doesn't care she fights for nothing, so why only 9S should? Plot is good, but execution and tools (9S character) is not. Maybe it's because Japanese always use same archetypes for manga characters and it became obsolete years ago. Male characters in current Japanese culture are usually feels more effeminate and less authentic than western counterparts. It was different in 90ties and beginning of the century, though.

[myhr2]

Postat inițial de Gosen:

Maybe it's because Japanese always use same archetypes for manga characters and it became obsolete years ago. Male characters in current Japanese culture are usually feels more effeminate and less authentic than western counterparts. It was different in 90ties and beginning of the century, though.

Mmmh, mmmh, yeah, occidental story-telling is so much more original and not archetypal at all...waiiiiit...
Seriously, archetypes have been used since times immemorial, and they never become obsolete, it's just a matter of trending relative to the current state of society.
As for effeminate males portrayed in Japanese media nowadays...it's the contrary, they have more representation, and we have less diversity currently in the west, where most men are depicted as manly men that are well-build, self-assured, muscular, with short hair (cause long hair are for women, bleh) and a very present yet subtil hairness. Nothing wrong with this archetype, it's an effective one, but be careful, if it's too much used, then it risks to be deemed "obsolete" too quite soon.

Diversity is the spice of life.

[Gosen]

Postat inițial de myhr2:

Postat inițial de Gosen:

Maybe it's because Japanese always use same archetypes for manga characters and it became obsolete years ago. Male characters in current Japanese culture are usually feels more effeminate and less authentic than western counterparts. It was different in 90ties and beginning of the century, though.

Mmmh, mmmh, yeah, occidental story-telling is so much more original and not archetypal at all...waiiiiit...
Seriously, archetypes have been used since times immemorial, and they never become obsolete, it's just a matter of trending relative to the current state of society.
As for effeminate males portrayed in Japanese media nowadays...it's the contrary, they have more representation, and we have less diversity currently in the west, where most men are depicted as manly men that are well-build, self-assured, muscular, with short hair (cause long hair are for women, bleh) and a very present yet subtil hairness. Nothing wrong with this archetype, it's an effective one, but be careful, if it's too much used, then it risks to be deemed "obsolete" too quite soon.

Diversity is the spice of life.

Witcher... Diversity yes, but it's problem when another culture lacks diversity in their own field. Thankfully Nier is also experimental, that's what makes it special, yet only one thing except bad PC port which bugs me is 9S personality and maybe too much unnecessary hacking mini-games.

Shame that 9S behaves more like kid than a machine and doesn't fit to military strict organization. Until end of the 2nd play-thoughts he's more like comic relief. No one seems to care, except him, reacting too emotionally for a military machine. It cares too much about dying, when it always can backup itself in the end, so all the drama was unnecessary (until some point at least).

[mnb]

Postat inițial de Gosen:

2B doesn't care she fights for nothing, so why only 9S should?

It's not that she doesn't care, she just doesn't know that she fights for nothing. She doesn't know humans are gone.

Postat inițial de lessthanoff:

learns that androids and machines are the same exact thing

Only YoRHa ones tho :P

Postat inițial de Gosen:

Shame that 9S behaves more like kid than a machine and doesn't fit to military strict organization. Until end of the 2nd play-thoughts he's more like comic relief. No one seems to care, except him, reacting too emotionally for a military machine. It cares too much about dying, when it always can backup itself in the end, so all the drama was unnecessary (until some point at least).

I guess androids like 6O doesn't fit YoRHa either. :p
Also, 9S the only one caring about dying? Wasn't that 2B who basically had a mental breakdown when she had to kill 9S (again)?

[Gin-chan]

I wonder if anyone who hates 9S realised that he's basically the main character of the story since we are mostly with him from beginning of the game till the end XD.

[shoopy]

Postat inițial de Gosen:

Postat inițial de myhr2:

Mmmh, mmmh, yeah, occidental story-telling is so much more original and not archetypal at all...waiiiiit...
Seriously, archetypes have been used since times immemorial, and they never become obsolete, it's just a matter of trending relative to the current state of society.
As for effeminate males portrayed in Japanese media nowadays...it's the contrary, they have more representation, and we have less diversity currently in the west, where most men are depicted as manly men that are well-build, self-assured, muscular, with short hair (cause long hair are for women, bleh) and a very present yet subtil hairness. Nothing wrong with this archetype, it's an effective one, but be careful, if it's too much used, then it risks to be deemed "obsolete" too quite soon.

Diversity is the spice of life.

Witcher... Diversity yes, but it's problem when another culture lacks diversity in their own field. Thankfully Nier is also experimental, that's what makes it special, yet only one thing except bad PC port which bugs me is 9S personality and maybe too much unnecessary hacking mini-games.

Shame that 9S behaves more like kid than a machine and doesn't fit to military strict organization. Until end of the 2nd play-thoughts he's more like comic relief. No one seems to care, except him, reacting too emotionally for a military machine. It cares too much about dying, when it always can backup itself in the end, so all the drama was unnecessary (until some point at least).

You must be playing a different game. Straight at the beginning he acts more military than 2B does. Even moreso in the B route. He doesn't care about dying as he sits there half dead fighting off like 50 enemies with a pod and hacking Engels the whole time, then when he does die it's like "oh wells we died lol"