In a word...boring.

[Nivek Ogre]

Everything I read about this game painted it as a masterpiece and a future classic. Yet here I am playing it, bored out of my skull. The dialogue is painful to listen to, the gameplay is yawn-inducing (lock on, hold down the Fire button, mash X and Y a bit in between). Lots of flashy explosions, and not much else. What am I missing? I'd like to try and finish this but honestly, really honestly...I don't see it happening if this is what I have to look forward to.

[censorship = death :(]

slandy a écrit :

Mr_Oso a écrit :

>and it seems like a yawn fest because you're not trying anything else.

>seems

it either is or isn't and it "seems" as though your tone changes from "i've played the game" to "i haven't played the game so i'm saying it seems that way".

you can ask all day if something seems like if something is the case or you could actually look in to it. God, what a babling ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ artist you are.

What are you even saying?

Things can seem like one thing but actually be something else. I've played the game and gotten into the debug room to play with combos.

You can play any game just mashing one button. In several versions of Street Fighter for example you can get through most of the game against the computer with just light punch because of the way the adaptive AI works. That can make the game seem boring but it is actually the player forcing that interpretation.

wait, I think i've seen your ugly mug before forcing your own interpretaions on other games that the the dumb ass jurnos of PCgamer or Kotaku ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and moaned about in the same way.

i mean you kinda sound like... https://twitter.com/weeabob/status/943620428597043202 well this.

[shoopy]

Mr_Oso a écrit :

slandy a écrit :

What are you even saying?

Things can seem like one thing but actually be something else. I've played the game and gotten into the debug room to play with combos.

You can play any game just mashing one button. In several versions of Street Fighter for example you can get through most of the game against the computer with just light punch because of the way the adaptive AI works. That can make the game seem boring but it is actually the player forcing that interpretation.

so you're flip flopping?

so have you played the game or not? i mean jesus christ are you going to judge mechanics by looking at a video or are you going to argue semantics like some blowhard? maybe play on hard or ... maybe stop trying to defend that a game is "boring" despite evidence to the contrary.

I have played the game and I'm saying that finding the game boring is the fault of the player, not the game. That is why I used the word "seems" because "boring" is subjective. In fact I would argue that "boring" doesn't even actually exist and it's all in the player's mind.

Telling me to play on a higher difficulty actually proves the point that I'm making, that it is up to the player to learn how to appreciate a game. Any game.

[censorship = death :(]

slandy a écrit :

Mr_Oso a écrit :

so you're flip flopping?

so have you played the game or not? i mean jesus christ are you going to judge mechanics by looking at a video or are you going to argue semantics like some blowhard? maybe play on hard or ... maybe stop trying to defend that a game is "boring" despite evidence to the contrary.

I have played the game and I'm saying that finding the game boring is the fault of the player, not the game. That is why I used the word "seems" because "boring" is subjective. In fact I would argue that "boring" doesn't even actually exist and it's all in the player's mind.

Telling me to play on a higher difficulty actually proves the point that I'm making, that it is up to the player to learn how to appreciate a game. Any game.

ah i see. my misunderstanding. I just see this game get a lot of crap because of strange people with political motivations or are creeped out from the female character being dressed the way she is out of some moral postulating.

i may disagree that some games are SO poorly made that they can be objectively bad but that's a totally different discussion.

[shoopy]

Mr_Oso a écrit :

slandy a écrit :

I have played the game and I'm saying that finding the game boring is the fault of the player, not the game. That is why I used the word "seems" because "boring" is subjective. In fact I would argue that "boring" doesn't even actually exist and it's all in the player's mind.

Telling me to play on a higher difficulty actually proves the point that I'm making, that it is up to the player to learn how to appreciate a game. Any game.

ah i see. my misunderstanding. I just see this game get a lot of crap because of strange people with political motivations or are creeped out from the female character being dressed the way she is out of some moral postulating.

i may disagree that some games are SO poorly made that they can be objectively bad but that's a totally different discussion.

Honestly in my personal opinion, this is literally the best game I have ever played, but I try to set my opinon aside and think objectively because I get the same thing were I see these games that everybody raves about but I end up not enjoying them. I'm just trying to relate why this might happen.

[censorship = death :(]

slandy a écrit :

Mr_Oso a écrit :

ah i see. my misunderstanding. I just see this game get a lot of crap because of strange people with political motivations or are creeped out from the female character being dressed the way she is out of some moral postulating.

i may disagree that some games are SO poorly made that they can be objectively bad but that's a totally different discussion.

Honestly in my personal opinion, this is literally the best game I have ever played, but I try to set my opinon aside and think objectively because I get the same thing were I see these games that everybody raves about but I end up not enjoying them. I'm just trying to relate why this might happen.

ah yes. quite.

i just saw some excessivly fluffy language and though you were trying to spin a yarn instead of be frank... or defend the OP's poor reasoning. i mean they don't have to like it but the reasons they give are weaker than talcum powder and just straight up dismissal dressed as intellectualism.
and i'm not a fan of that as i've made clear by my over reaction.

[Tressk]

The only issues this game has imo is the balancing, lack of enemy scaling, and (maybe, still subjective tho) the repetitive nature of route B. Other than that, imo the game is a practically a masterpiece.

[wanderingfist]

It took me a few tries to really get into it as well. Maybe increasing the difficultly would help your enjoyment!

[Nivek Ogre]

lessthanoff a écrit :

Soulkey a écrit :

You're either the very first person to finish every single game you started....
...or you are the biggest hypocrite without realizing it.

Only 5 hours in Dark Souls? Short attention span, or didn't "git gut" enough?


Or, maybe you just didn't like the game like OP didn't like NieR? That would be shocking....

I'm pretty sure you completely missed my point, and I'm wondering why you bothered to respond to me with this.

Claiming that you have a good attention span *because* you played through multiple mainstream games created to appeal to the widest possible audience isn't a compelling argument. In the same way that people wouldn't take me seriously if I said "I've put over 400 hours into Skyrim, therefore I have a good attention span"

And, by the way, I enjoy Dark Souls just fine. Your pathetic attempt to point out my "hypocrisy" would have been better if I had claimed I hated that game.

What I *wouldn't* do, if I didn't find myself enjoying a game, is go onto a forum populated with fans of that game and tell them how boring and uninteresting I found it, and then act shocked and offended when people start getting annoyed with me, especially after saying stuff like "I've put hundreds of hours into these other games, therefore I have a good attention span. So the fault isn't with me, it's in this game that you all like." I would just conclude that it wasn't for me, and leave the people who did enjoy it alone, instead of going onto their forums to poke and prod them.

So no, I don't think I'm a hypocrite on this matter. Thanks.

I'm uh...I'm going to resurect this because, being bored one night (tonight, natch) I decided to retry NA again. Needed something to read while it was installing, and I come across this gem of a post. Hey, uhm...you're right, you're not a hypocrite. You're just an unreasoning practitioner of herd mentality, i.e weak-willed and slow-witted. Let me just quote this little buit of yours: "What I *wouldn't* do, if I didn't find myself enjoying a game, is go onto a forum populated with fans of that game and tell them how boring and uninteresting I found it, and then act shocked and offended when people start getting annoyed with me".

Oh no? You wouldn't express your opinion, or seek out the input and opinions of others unless you all shared a common opinion? So if you liked a certain movie fanatically, but you reaaaaally hated one of the principle actors...you'd let that keep you from joining a forum or reddit discussion for that movie unless everyone else felt the same way?

Weakling...

[Nivek Ogre]

Mr_Oso a écrit :

slandy a écrit :

Honestly in my personal opinion, this is literally the best game I have ever played, but I try to set my opinon aside and think objectively because I get the same thing were I see these games that everybody raves about but I end up not enjoying them. I'm just trying to relate why this might happen.

ah yes. quite.

i just saw some excessivly fluffy language and though you were trying to spin a yarn instead of be frank... or defend the OP's poor reasoning. i mean they don't have to like it but the reasons they give are weaker than talcum powder and just straight up dismissal dressed as intellectualism.
and i'm not a fan of that as i've made clear by my over reaction.

The OP's "poor reasoning"? What kind of dimwit doesn't unerstand that a personal opinion is completely immune to successful challenge unless said opinion is about a verifiable, objective fact?

(..or, if that makes your itty bitty noggin' throb...a personal opinion is based on SUBjective factors, i.e. I will probably like a game that features things I like- if they're done well. You can't disprove any of my claims because they are all SUBjective; it would be like tring to prove I'm wrong when I say it's too cold. How the ♥♥♥♥ would you know if it's too cold for me? By the same token, how the ♥♥♥♥ would you know if NA's combat and story are boring to me Do you know how many games I've played? How many movies I've seen, how many books or short stories I've read? Maybe Nier Automata looks so spectacular to you because you haven't been exposed to more mature ideas and views of the world, or played any games with better combat?

Oatmeal with maple syrup, brown sugar, cinnamon and candied pecans sure tastes good when you've been eating Cream of Wheat your whole life, but it's still just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ oatmeal.

[myhr2]

Most of the arguments will be subjective, so they won't make you change your mind, and as for objective ones...the game doesn't feature auto-saves but has save points, its story and themes are developed along the three routes, the gameplay consists of separate sections : 2D shooters, 3D hack and slash, and texts. These are objectives facts but do they really help?

You're right, you're finding it boring, and no-one can argue about that. Still, were you forced to imply that it is because you're better? Can't people appreciate things for different reasons? I mean, when someone says "this is just middle-school philosophy", I can't help to tell myself "maybe, but I sure would have loved to go to such a middle-school". Or when you say "this is generic hack and slash gameplay"...ok, maybe, do you have others hack and slash to recommend? Why would you recommend them, what are they doing differently?
Share your experiences and references instead of just sitting on them. You have interesting things to say? Don't just say they're interesting, tell us about them!

[lessthanoff]

@Nivek Ogre

Oh yes, you're such a strong-willed hero for coming onto a game forum (a game you haven't completed) to whine and complain about how it's boring and uninteresting, getting ultra defensive at people who don't agree with you.

Forget Martin Luther King. *You're* the real deal.

No, if I wasn't enjoying a game, I wouldn't feel the need to run in the middle of a crowd full of people who did and announce to them that the game that they all enjoyed was boring and uninteresting. And then act surprised when these people -- who have all beaten the game and know what they're talking about, compared to me, who hasn't and doesn't -- start getting annoyed, listening in confusion as I start boasting loudly and repeatedly about how I've put 400 hours in Skyrim and 200 hours in Darkest Dungeon, which, of course, makes me an expert in game design and storytelling.

But maybe I'm just not a powerful enough keyboard warrior to brave such a task -- to dare go where only the other 287 IQ reddit users, like yourself, would go.

Or maybe it's because I'm not an obnoxious, self-important, pretentious jerk who suffers from the Dunning Kruger Effect.

[shoopy]

The fact that this is still going screams "interpersonal issues"

[censorship = death :(]

Nivek Ogre a écrit :

lessthanoff a écrit :

I'm pretty sure you completely missed my point, and I'm wondering why you bothered to respond to me with this.

Claiming that you have a good attention span *because* you played through multiple mainstream games created to appeal to the widest possible audience isn't a compelling argument. In the same way that people wouldn't take me seriously if I said "I've put over 400 hours into Skyrim, therefore I have a good attention span"

And, by the way, I enjoy Dark Souls just fine. Your pathetic attempt to point out my "hypocrisy" would have been better if I had claimed I hated that game.

What I *wouldn't* do, if I didn't find myself enjoying a game, is go onto a forum populated with fans of that game and tell them how boring and uninteresting I found it, and then act shocked and offended when people start getting annoyed with me, especially after saying stuff like "I've put hundreds of hours into these other games, therefore I have a good attention span. So the fault isn't with me, it's in this game that you all like." I would just conclude that it wasn't for me, and leave the people who did enjoy it alone, instead of going onto their forums to poke and prod them.

So no, I don't think I'm a hypocrite on this matter. Thanks.

I'm uh...I'm going to resurect this because, being bored one night (tonight, natch) I decided to retry NA again. Needed something to read while it was installing, and I come across this gem of a post. Hey, uhm...you're right, you're not a hypocrite. You're just an unreasoning practitioner of herd mentality, i.e weak-willed and slow-witted. Let me just quote this little buit of yours: "What I *wouldn't* do, if I didn't find myself enjoying a game, is go onto a forum populated with fans of that game and tell them how boring and uninteresting I found it, and then act shocked and offended when people start getting annoyed with me".

Oh no? You wouldn't express your opinion, or seek out the input and opinions of others unless you all shared a common opinion? So if you liked a certain movie fanatically, but you reaaaaally hated one of the principle actors...you'd let that keep you from joining a forum or reddit discussion for that movie unless everyone else felt the same way?

Weakling...

ass mad sjw trash?

[censorship = death :(]

lessthanoff a écrit :

@Nivek Ogre

Oh yes, you're such a strong-willed hero for coming onto a game forum (a game you haven't completed) to whine and complain about how it's boring and uninteresting, getting ultra defensive at people who don't agree with you.

Forget Martin Luther King. *You're* the real deal.

No, if I wasn't enjoying a game, I wouldn't feel the need to run in the middle of a crowd full of people who did and announce to them that the game that they all enjoyed was boring and uninteresting. And then act surprised when these people -- who have all beaten the game and know what they're talking about, compared to me, who hasn't and doesn't -- start getting annoyed, listening in confusion as I start boasting loudly and repeatedly about how I've put 400 hours in Skyrim and 200 hours in Darkest Dungeon, which, of course, makes me an expert in game design and storytelling.

But maybe I'm just not a powerful enough keyboard warrior to brave such a task -- to dare go where only the other 287 IQ reddit users, like yourself, would go.

Or maybe it's because I'm not an obnoxious, self-important, pretentious jerk who suffers from the Dunning Kruger Effect.

"boring" is simply a regressive epithet. it seeks to insult with out listing any real problem or complaint or valid criticism. so it's no wonder sjws use that term "boring" all the time.

[censorship = death :(]

myhr2 a écrit :

Most of the arguments will be subjective, so they won't make you change your mind, and as for objective ones...the game doesn't feature auto-saves but has save points, its story and themes are developed along the three routes, the gameplay consists of separate sections : 2D shooters, 3D hack and slash, and texts. These are objectives facts but do they really help?

You're right, you're finding it boring, and no-one can argue about that. Still, were you forced to imply that it is because you're better? Can't people appreciate things for different reasons? I mean, when someone says "this is just middle-school philosophy", I can't help to tell myself "maybe, but I sure would have loved to go to such a middle-school". Or when you say "this is generic hack and slash gameplay"...ok, maybe, do you have others hack and slash to recommend? Why would you recommend them, what are they doing differently?
Share your experiences and references instead of just sitting on them. You have interesting things to say? Don't just say they're interesting, tell us about them!

kotaku writers say boring.

dont' be like kotaku writers.