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alez444 3 dez. 2017 às 16:31
This is why 2B and others wear blindfold
There's no official word from Developers that they are visors. Are we forgetting that 2B and the rest are cyborgs and not humans? Their visors are built into their robotic eyes. Lets not forget. That blindfold is made of fabric so no way it's a visor and without it, they might not fight as aggressive as having them on. If you think about it for a minute... some people in this world fight with their eyes shut. It helps them fully focus on putting out all their might without any hesitation in throwing out all the punches. It sounds foolish to do this, but it works for some in knocking out the other person with a few blows (if you watch enough UFC you know what I'm talking about).

We all can only speculate, but to me I think 2B has Jiu Jitsu skills at level 1 (highest). They can fight without seeing. More on Jiu Jitsu can be found here....

http://japanesejiujitsu.blogspot.com/2012/09/normal-0-0-1-452-2578-21-5-3165-11.html

This is the kind of stuff you hear about in Japan, and it would make sense that Platinum and the Developers intentionally did this to their characters. It left many gamers wondering why would cyborgs need to be blindfolded. That's because they're so good that they don't need to see and can use their sense on locating where their target is. It allows them to slice through metal objects carelessly with full force.

Do you guys agree?
Última alteração por alez444; 3 dez. 2017 às 17:01
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DeadByLag 29 out. 2018 às 6:40 
Originalmente postado por Konachibi:
While my theory is unlikely, especially after reading posts made in this thread, I always thought it was possibly because Android pupils cannot dilate with changes to light, and since Earth seems to mostly be bright and sunny (at least in the City Ruins), and robots tend to explode in bright flashes, the blindfolds act as a filter so they aren't blinded by sunlight, explosions etc. Kind of like putting net curtains across your windows to stop sunny days casting glare across your T.V screen.
Some fabrics do allow you to see through them while still obscuring your eyes to other people, such as nylon, which I've seen 2B cosplayers use as a blindfold without greatly hindering their vision.
That's what irises are for - to control aperture sizes and amount of incoming light. Animals have them in their eyes, and so do contemporary camera lenses.

I find it difficult to accept that 120th-century sensor technology don't know how to deal with varying lighting (energy) conditions.
Agenta 31 out. 2018 às 12:45 
Originalmente postado por riotangel:
Originalmente postado por Konachibi:
While my theory is unlikely, especially after reading posts made in this thread, I always thought it was possibly because Android pupils cannot dilate with changes to light, and since Earth seems to mostly be bright and sunny (at least in the City Ruins), and robots tend to explode in bright flashes, the blindfolds act as a filter so they aren't blinded by sunlight, explosions etc. Kind of like putting net curtains across your windows to stop sunny days casting glare across your T.V screen.
Some fabrics do allow you to see through them while still obscuring your eyes to other people, such as nylon, which I've seen 2B cosplayers use as a blindfold without greatly hindering their vision.
That's what irises are for - to control aperture sizes and amount of incoming light. Animals have them in their eyes, and so do contemporary camera lenses.

I find it difficult to accept that 120th-century sensor technology don't know how to deal with varying lighting (energy) conditions.
Technically not ALL of Earth is bright and sunny. Due to a massive globe-changing event we do not currently know of (Though theories do exist), half of Earth is permamently day-time, and half of it is permanently night-time. The Day-part is called the Day Kingdom, and the night-part ois called the Night-Kingdom.
Lightning 1 nov. 2018 às 5:04 
They wear it because Yoko is a pervert
Mildly Nuclear 3 nov. 2018 às 7:12 
They're androids, not cyborgs, and it is a visor made of fabric. Sorry you're wrong, friendo.
galuda7 14 abr. 2019 às 0:45 
Yoko Taro has gone on record as saying good things about Metal Gear Rising, so perhaps he took some pages from that game. Canonically, Raiden's "eyepatch" is actually comprised of millions of microscopic camera lenses. It not only gives him better peripheral vision, but access to heat detection and other forms of AR vision, as well. It's likely that the YoRHa androids' visors are covered with lenses in a similar manner. Essentially, it's like having the compound eyes of an insect, but with much more accurate vision, as insects can only detect motion with their compound eyes, and Raiden/2B/etc. get the full vision package.
Kyatapii 5 mai. 2019 às 13:36 
I think it's up to everyone's interpretation. I strongly believe that not everything in games (or works of fiction in general) has to have a definitive meaning or one correct interpretation. Personally, I imagine that the blindfolds are something cultural and traditional, like hijab, bindi or maori face tattoo, possibly symbolizing android's obedience, discipline and lack of emotions.
Última alteração por Kyatapii; 5 mai. 2019 às 13:37
lPaladinl 5 mai. 2019 às 16:14 
At best I think it's symbolic of the fact that they're all blind to the truths of the world because even if they discover the history of what happened they're terminated for knowing too much to prevent them from going rogue. Especially when you consider 2B and 9S who still work for the bunker are wearing blindfolds. A2 however, who is rogue, no longer wears a blindfold.

You'll also notice that The Commander, who is aware of what is going on, does not wear a blindfold either.

At worst I think it's just a stylistic decision.

I think the visor theory is nonsense because A2 isn't lacking visual controls that 2B and 9S have yet she doesn't wear a blindfold.
Última alteração por lPaladinl; 5 mai. 2019 às 16:19
ramonpontes 6 mai. 2019 às 8:47 
My thoughts:

1 - The initial intend is to make the character looks cool (or hot, your choice). Any further explanation was made up to adjust to their looks.

2 - I agree with the symbolism behind the blindfold thing. They can't express emotions, and they blindly follow orders. The same way the operators wears a gag, because they are limited to what they can speak about.

3 - The blindfolds don't hinder their vision. But it is hard to find evidence that they improve it on any way. A2 is able to see the same things that 2B and 9S, as stated above.

My conclusion: Any explanation about the blindfold functions were made AFTER the character designs were created. I don't try to explain anything further that what was exposed in-game. I just accept that there are some flaws on the given explanation, and the developers just left those flaws for us to speculate.
DeadByLag 7 mai. 2019 às 7:00 
Originalmente postado por Kyatapii:
I think it's up to everyone's interpretation. I strongly believe that not everything in games (or works of fiction in general) has to have a definitive meaning or one correct interpretation.
YOKO Taro has already mentioned his game design philosophy that he merely provides scenarios, and it is up to the audience to find meaning of the experience for themselves. He won't write a black and white story.
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Camui 12 jun. 2019 às 1:55 
As already mentioned by some others, there is alot lore outside of the games, in novels, etc. and as also mentioned before these things are visors.
The thing about the blindfolds is explained amonst other things in one of the novels.
Quote of an conversation in that novel:

No. 16 snatched her goggles off in fury. No. 4 pointed at them.
"Hey, taking them off is against military regulations, you know?"
"Look who's talking!"
At first glance, it looked like the YoRHa squadron had black blind-
folds wrapped around their heads. But these were not just black pieces
of cloth, but actually goggles with heads-up displays about the targets the
user was looking at.
So while it was a crucial piece of equipment on the battlefield, at
times it was constricting and stifling. No. 4 was intentionally wearing
her googles crooked so she could keep one eye uncovered. No. 16 lash-
ing back at her was well warranted. No. 4 would probably say that the
goggles had slipped off or something of the sort, but in reality No. 2
thought she did it because the were annoying to wear.

Source:
Novell: YoRHa 1.05
Book: Nier Automata Short Story Long, Page 034

Hope I could help :tbphappy:
Agenta 12 jun. 2019 às 2:21 
Originalmente postado por Camui:
As already mentioned by some others, there is alot lore outside of the games, in novels, etc. and as also mentioned before these things are visors.
The thing about the blindfolds is explained amonst other things in one of the novels.
Quote of an conversation in that novel:

No. 16 snatched her goggles off in fury. No. 4 pointed at them.
"Hey, taking them off is against military regulations, you know?"
"Look who's talking!"
At first glance, it looked like the YoRHa squadron had black blind-
folds wrapped around their heads. But these were not just black pieces
of cloth, but actually goggles with heads-up displays about the targets the
user was looking at.
So while it was a crucial piece of equipment on the battlefield, at
times it was constricting and stifling. No. 4 was intentionally wearing
her googles crooked so she could keep one eye uncovered. No. 16 lash-
ing back at her was well warranted. No. 4 would probably say that the
goggles had slipped off or something of the sort, but in reality No. 2
thought she did it because the were annoying to wear.

Source:
Novell: YoRHa 1.05
Book: Nier Automata Short Story Long, Page 034

Hope I could help :tbphappy:
That is actually not from a novel, it's from the YoRHa Stage Play, a version of which was translated and put into Short Story Long.
Camui 12 jun. 2019 às 2:25 
Thx for the information :-) I just own the books, never saw the stage plays, just know that the exist (or existed)
udav 12 jun. 2019 às 7:43 
Originalmente postado por Citronvand:
My take on the blindfolds? They're there because Yoko Taro thought they looked cool.

End of speculations. :)

Originalmente postado por Citronvand:
The problem I have with them being a visor is that they don't even have nightvision.

First of it - you have invisible blinfold in inventory. Kinda stupid for visor if you ask me. :)


Originalmente postado por Citronvand:
What kind of super high-tech nano visor doesn't have nightvision?

Let see...
- The one's who uses swords, spears and other coldweapon to fight tanks and tick metal robots.
- The combat nonhuman artifitial unit's that looks like human (and beyond an uncanny valley I must add).
- The artifitial combat unit whos appear as beatiful young girl
- The one's who fight closecombat whith coldweapon in ball-dress instead of helm and plate armor.
- These whos fight against space aliens from the base on the Earth orbit while space aliens have undegraund base on the planet.
- One's who can hack any foe from distance while communicate by voice with visual interface.
- etc (see paragraph about Yoko Taro reasons)


Originalmente postado por Ogami:
It's a technical visor that all YoRHa androids wear.

It is not.

Originalmente postado por Ogami:
It is part of their duty as YoRHa androids to always keep it on.

So Commander in coctail dress on space station isn't YORHA then :)
Última alteração por udav; 12 jun. 2019 às 8:26
myhr2 13 jun. 2019 às 8:00 
Actualy, the Commander is NOT a Yorha Unit, it's an older model supervising the whole operation (and she's wearing white whereas Yorha units are wearing black, another allusion to the peculiar nature of Yohra units. Symbolism, symbolism everywhere!)
Última alteração por myhr2; 13 jun. 2019 às 8:01
Camui 13 jun. 2019 às 12:37 
(don't know if it's somewhere else, but it's in the World of Nier:Automata book, the commander is the only Non-YoRHa unit at the bunker. But nontheless, the operators doesn't have blindfolds too. but it's still a military order to use it for the troops, as mentioned in my quote above
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