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HassleDuff 2017 年 4 月 14 日 上午 12:01
So...why wasn't he dealt with immediately? [STORY_SPOILERS.DOC]
To explain what I mean about the topic title above, I want to bring into context on 2B's mission goal. Or rather her actual mission goal in relation to 9S. For those who fully completed the story would come to understand that 9S figured out that the humanity that's set on the moon doesn't actually exist, and he confronted this with direct conformation the Commander. Which is a bit of a no-no, because YoHRa wants to keep this a secret. Which is why they have 2B, or rather 2E, who's side-objective is to kill 9S when he knows too much, as she implicitly did many times in the past.

Here's the thing: why wasn't he killed or decomissioned as soon as he brought up the non-existence of humanity? Why didn't the Commander promptly order 2B to end 9S, or 2B didn't immediately go after his life? It's been established that she's harboring complex feelings for him before we see the two together in the game, so it wasn't like over the course of A and B routes that she had a change of heart. And I assume that 2B never knew that he knew, so she didn't quickly fulfill the task, but again, why didn't the Commander contact her on a private channel to confirm and execute her modus operandi? Was the Adam and Eve mission so vital that that was kept aside? Yet even after their conflict is over, 9S is still hanging around 2B not being slain by the sword inbetween that conflict and the "endgame" against the machine. What stopped her mission beyond that? Is it because he's not aware of EVERYTHING? How much knowledge is too much to verity the necessity to end him? Isn't the whole "humanity is dead" thing enough to keep it delisted for the morale of all androids?

Maybe that whole thing is explained in the game, whether through the document, weapon story or NPC, and I just missed out. Can someone clear this up for me?
最后由 HassleDuff 编辑于; 2017 年 4 月 14 日 下午 5:07
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Kiriesani 2017 年 4 月 14 日 下午 6:21 
Wasn't 2B in trouble when 9S got out of the server? I thought the commander wanted her alive. Sending 9S at that point was just a command decision made in the moment.
HassleDuff 2017 年 4 月 14 日 下午 6:24 
2B, indeed, was stuck in a rut with the machine zealots while 9S is up on the Bunker. That would halt imminent plans to erase 9S.
Big Boom Boom 2017 年 4 月 14 日 下午 6:49 
引用自 iemander
OP is right, what the commander did was completely out of character. She should've ordered him to die immediately.

Because it's implied she's actually against what's she's doing. Everything she does is because she is forced to do so, in the position of the commander, but I doubt that's what she wants to do, just like dozens of other characters in game. We also know that she's a close friend of Jackass (and her name is White/Shiro), and Jackass sworn to come for the androids behind the whole scheme in the Machine Report at the end. So she must have, at some point, gone down to Earth. We never knew her background story.

I bet Jackass and Commander were lovers.
最后由 Big Boom Boom 编辑于; 2017 年 4 月 14 日 下午 6:49
HassleDuff 2017 年 4 月 14 日 下午 8:31 
Or maybe White is from Earth, and is hired by mysterious forced to watch over YoRHa for the sake of her android brethen.

If it's implied that she doesn't want to have 9S destroyed or order 2B to destroy him, then what made her commit to the task time and time again in the past? Or is 9S confronting the Commander about the truth the very first time it happened to her and she doesn't quite know how to respond because 2B usually finish the task before that would occur...unless this isn't their first confrontation and this is part of a loop as someone suggested.

Boy, I seem to be getting more questions than answers...
最后由 HassleDuff 编辑于; 2017 年 4 月 14 日 下午 9:51
Furystrikez 2017 年 4 月 14 日 下午 9:26 
Ultimately YoRHa was designed to be destroyed.
The Commander didn't bother killing 9S because 9S and 2B were supposed to have gone berserk with the rest of YoRHa and probably killed themselves with all the other androids. The only reason they didn't is because 9S prevented them from syncing up with the corrupted Bunker server.
The end of Project YoRHa was supposed to be the extermination of the YoRHa forces which was already in the process of happening by the time 9S and 2B return to the bunker in chapter C. The Commander probably figured it was too late for either of them to intervien even if they did know the truth so she didn't bother killing either of them and they would probably die without the ability to backup thier data or get new bodies. And afterwards in the end they all would have all died and ended up completing the mission anyways if it wasn't for the efforts of the Pods.

If you read the Archives it tells you that basically only the Commander knew most of the details about Project YoRHa.
From this I could assume that 2B only knew of her assigned task which was to keep 9S from discovering classified YoRHa information, she doesn't necessarily know the information herself either though. 2B seemed pretty 'by the book' anyways, I'm pretty sure she would have just blindly followed whatever orders the Commander gave her without asking any questions, I mean she didn't hesitate at all like 9S when they were tasked with killing A2 or the YoRHa deserters.
9S obviously didn't know anything until he started hacking into the Bunker database and stuff.
I suspect A2 probably knew some substantial information behind what was really going on because after you fight her in the forest kingdom she says something to the effect of 'Command has betrayed you' after 9S asks why she betrayed YoRHa.
Big Boom Boom 2017 年 4 月 14 日 下午 9:44 
The Commander does not know about the backdoor and the plan to wipe out YoRHa for the next generations. She's herself is a YoRHa though so I doubt she's from Earth. She could be the first prototype of YoRHa.
Furystrikez 2017 年 4 月 14 日 下午 11:33 
引用自 Big Boom Boom
The Commander does not know about the backdoor and the plan to wipe out YoRHa for the next generations. She's herself is a YoRHa though so I doubt she's from Earth. She could be the first prototype of YoRHa.
Wrong, the 'Council/YoRHa Records' archive includes the Backdoor and it says: "Note that these documents are classified Level-S Confidential, and are not to be disclosed to any persons affiliated with YoRHa aside from the Commander."
Big Boom Boom 2017 年 4 月 15 日 上午 12:21 
引用自 Furystrikez
引用自 Big Boom Boom
The Commander does not know about the backdoor and the plan to wipe out YoRHa for the next generations. She's herself is a YoRHa though so I doubt she's from Earth. She could be the first prototype of YoRHa.
Wrong, the 'Council/YoRHa Records' archive includes the Backdoor and it says: "Note that these documents are classified Level-S Confidential, and are not to be disclosed to any persons affiliated with YoRHa aside from the Commander."

Pretty sure the backdoor one is NOT disclosed with the Commander. Everything else about the Human Server on the Moon is.
Sid Icarus 2017 年 4 月 15 日 上午 2:07 
Information regarding the existence of the backdoor and YoRHa's planned self-destruction were actually DOUBLE S confidential (Level-SS), meaning the commander was not informed. Only the creators of the YoRHa project knew, whoever they are.
John Madden 2017 年 4 月 15 日 上午 4:37 
Wow really? People spend their time spoonfeeding you the story and you are still arguing about it?
HassleDuff 2017 年 4 月 15 日 上午 7:34 
So let me recap on what was discussed, because I think we're losing track from the original question:


2B/2E kills 9S repeatly, but 9S wasn't dead the second he found about no humanity on the moon because a) 9S didn't tell 2B about what he learned, b) Commander merely threatened him on what he does with it because, c) she and him have to rescue 2B at the time, so they don't have time to confront the issue in detail. And when the opportunity was given to get rid of 9S, whether during the final onslaught against the machines or afterwards, the Bunker's Back Door happened, which the Commander didn't know about, affecting all of the YoRHa models connected to the network. Except for 9S, who survived the outbreak but not 2B, who died never knowing the whole truth.
pr0xy 2017 年 4 月 15 日 下午 12:26 
all I can say

great.♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.story.
HassleDuff 2017 年 4 月 15 日 下午 1:21 
A story can be great and still encourage a thorough question or two.
Big Boom Boom 2017 年 4 月 15 日 下午 3:38 
At the end of days you have to understand that Commander is as much a victim like the rest of YoRHa. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't remember one instance where Resistance member fallen to Logic Virus or getting hacked by machine, only YoRHa. So she's a YoRHa for sure, possibly the last of an early prototype series in what would have been mirroring A2 background story which is why she's a close friend of Jackass, a Resistance member.
DoomyDoom 2017 年 4 月 15 日 下午 4:25 
引用自 Big Boom Boom
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't remember one instance where Resistance member fallen to Logic Virus or getting hacked by machine, only YoRHa.
Eh, that can be normally explainable. YoRHa android models are more likely than not different from Resistance ones.
At the very least, they operate on a different network and have the "feature" of bunker backups.
Remeber the first shopkeeper's quest? He talks about not replacing his leg because that would be losing himself or somesuch. Which basically means Resistance members don't get to jump between bodies like YoRHas do.
It just makes sense that advanced combat models would be drastically different from "normal" ones, if only to maintain the illusion of advancement (no idea whether Resistance and YoRHa share the same creator). And in this case it's very reasonable that any sort of hack that works on one, would not really apply to the other. Real-world exploits and backdoors (serious ones, not the kind you get in your spam mail) tend to target some VERY specific vulnerabilities, sometimes down to particular versions of software. And that's just the "dumb" (compared to "AI", for what it's worth) computers that we have. So LV prepared for Bunker/YoRHa would work on them and them only. Might also explain why A2, who's been out of touch with the latest tech and, uh, "updates", doesn't get infected despite what was as direct of a contact with infected 2B as it gets.
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