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Cjthemvp123 2017 年 3 月 22 日 下午 2:44
Raiden vs 2B
You have no idea how much i would pay just to see them fight, or hell even talk.
A shame there isn't any cameo towards the game.
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Sugoi 2017 年 3 月 22 日 下午 7:50 
It's funny because apart from some aspects such as AI, Rising is more technologically advanced even if it's the near future.

Of course, the YoRHa androids have magic tech that allows for some things that Raiden can't do (teleporting weapons, etc) but overall I would have to say that Raiden seems like he'd probably come out on top.

Maybe A2 could put up more of a fight when she's berserk though.
jaedenky 2017 年 3 月 22 日 下午 7:51 
引用自 time_tricker
Tech in these 2 games is hardly comparable.
One is like real world that developed too fast and another one is got aliens​ invasion since the age of magic and sword and almost wiped​ out once.

It may not be comparable in the sense that its 2 different universes but when you have a difference of nearly 10 thousands of years you have to factor that in.
最後修改者:jaedenky; 2017 年 3 月 22 日 下午 8:06
Ur New Waifu 2017 年 3 月 22 日 下午 7:55 
Two words: Black Box...

BOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!
JACK DÆMEN 2017 年 3 月 22 日 下午 8:06 
引用自 Adam ✯
Raiden is more physically powerful but 2B has more agility. Raiden's weapons are stronger and more high tech so he would do more damage if he were to land a direct hit than 2B would. His entire body is also armored as opposed to 2B who wears no armor. The only armor most YoRHa androids "wear" is what their body is made of; their skin and clothes and bones are all armor, but not a very reliable one especially against vibro-blades.

I still think it would be an even fight but Raiden has a lot of advantages.
YoRHa units have a heavy armor suit available to them.
Ezekiel 2017 年 3 月 22 日 下午 8:06 
He lifted up a Metal Gear.



A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Metal Gear.
Yeah, MGR sure was retarded.

Also...

Raiden (MGS2) > Cyborg Raiden
Erebus 2017 年 3 月 22 日 下午 8:43 
引用自 jaedenky
引用自 time_tricker
Tech in these 2 games is hardly comparable.
One is like real world that developed too fast and another one is got aliens​ invasion since the age of magic and sword and almost wiped​ out once.

It may not be comparable in the sense that its 2 different universes but when you have a difference of nearly 10 thousands of years you have to factor that in.
Time isn't necessarily relevant when dealing with different universes. It's only relevant if the same developments and tech occured.

It'd be like comparing Wolf: TNO, Crysis, and Fallout... Time is irrelevant in comparing those universes, it developed in entirely different manners.
nightzero2x 2017 年 3 月 22 日 下午 9:11 
Thinking Raiden can win in many ways but thought of some ways 2B could have. I say could go either way just Raiden has some superior advanages. Raiden beat metal gear and Armstrong charged with nanomachines. 2B could get some soild hits in or like someone previous said black box reupload data into body win. Anything goes in war since they around same level but Raiden tech is stronger. Both are pretty fast.
jaedenky 2017 年 3 月 22 日 下午 9:16 
引用自 jaedenky

It may not be comparable in the sense that its 2 different universes but when you have a difference of nearly 10 thousands of years you have to factor that in.
Time isn't necessarily relevant when dealing with different universes. It's only relevant if the same developments and tech occured.

It'd be like comparing Wolf: TNO, Crysis, and Fallout... Time is irrelevant in comparing those universes, it developed in entirely different manners.

Even if the same developments didn't occur, when you're talking about such a difference it would be dishonest to not even look into it.

And I'm not speaking from a perspective of a guy thats unfamiliar with the 2 universes in question and logically I would estimate that the MGS universe is several times more advanced than the Nier universe if the 2 timelines were similar, but they are not they are 10,000 years into the future.

The 2 are comparable, its not like comparing the DC universe to the MGS universe, it hasn't been shown that characters like Raiden are comparable to the characters in DC comics, in that particular comparison it wouldn't be right to compare but this is not the case here.

Now I would entertain the thought that Nier world did not keep up with technological advancement all the way up till the year 11000, but for arguments sake say they kept up a pace of advancements until the year 5000, that would still be nearly 3000 years of advancement over MGS.

I think you're making the assumption that I'm simply comparing 2 universes without context, I have thought it through and came to the conclusion that most of the characters in the Nier universe would demolish MGS characters, and this is mostly due to the fact that technology is more advanced due to it taking place in a future timeline. Different metals, designs and systems, phasing abilities, hacking etc. 2B is basically taking on thousands of machines equivalent to Metal Gear units in this game, I think she'll kill him pretty easily.
最後修改者:jaedenky; 2017 年 3 月 22 日 下午 9:23
Erebus 2017 年 3 月 22 日 下午 9:28 
引用自 jaedenky
Even if the same developments didn't occur, when you're talking about such a difference it would be dishonest to not even look into it.
Time is irrelevant. Comparison is meaningless to begin with, but if you are to compare compare what is shown not, "hurrr 9000 year lead".

Now I would entertain the thought that Nier world did not keep up with technological advancement all the way up till the year 11000, but for arguments sake say they kept up a pace of advancements until the year 5000, that would still be nearly 2000 years of advancement over MGS.
That's still relying on the assumption they begin at similar points and had similar progress rates and milestones.

that technology is more advanced due to it taking in a future timeline.
Which is a faulty premise to begin with. It's not the same timeline at all.

Your entire reasoning would be like claiming "Planet of the Apes is more advanced than Wolfenstein TNO, it takes place over 2000 years later."
jaedenky 2017 年 3 月 22 日 下午 10:54 
引用自 jaedenky
Even if the same developments didn't occur, when you're talking about such a difference it would be dishonest to not even look into it.
Time is irrelevant. Comparison is meaningless to begin with, but if you are to compare compare what is shown not, "hurrr 9000 year lead".

Now I would entertain the thought that Nier world did not keep up with technological advancement all the way up till the year 11000, but for arguments sake say they kept up a pace of advancements until the year 5000, that would still be nearly 2000 years of advancement over MGS.
That's still relying on the assumption they begin at similar points and had similar progress rates and milestones.

that technology is more advanced due to it taking in a future timeline.
Which is a faulty premise to begin with. It's not the same timeline at all.

Your entire reasoning would be like claiming "Planet of the Apes is more advanced than Wolfenstein TNO, it takes place over 2000 years later."


I'm not making that assumption at all, but the fact remains that comparisons can be made in terms of the world and power levels of these characters. This is my opinion and if you disagree thats fine but I've made an assesment based on known information and logic, and the conclusion that I've come to is the androids in Nier are overall mode advanced than cyborgs like Raiden.

My reasoning is nothing like comparing Planet of the Apes with Wolfenstein, and you know this and its intellectually dishonest to think that and bringing up extreme examples just to prove a point. I look at the evidence provided, the type of weapons and situation they are both in, one of them is trying to destroy a world filled with billions of robots, the other guy is fighting some terrorists organizations.

There are no apes in either franchise, one is a cyborg the other is an android, its comparable. People make cross universe comparisons all the time: Superman vs Goku, etc. Since both of these characters use technology IMO Nier androids are more advanced.

Its not too far fetched to think that the Androids would have updated their technology over time and become more advanced than machines in MGS universe, this is an assesment I'm making not a statement of fact. I'm not stating that they take place in the same timeline or universe, I am comparing both and making an educated guess, know the difference.
最後修改者:jaedenky; 2017 年 3 月 22 日 下午 10:57
Van 2017 年 3 月 22 日 下午 10:57 
I would pay for a MGS/NieR cross over DLC where we get to answer this very question. My money's on Raiden though. Maybe you guys have forgotten he suplex'd a MG Ray/Excelsius with his BARE HANDS. HIS BARE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ HANDS.

Raiden vs. Alien invasion force.
最後修改者:Van; 2017 年 3 月 22 日 下午 10:58
Northern 2017 年 3 月 23 日 上午 8:08 
2B wins. Because no matter how much stronger and faster Raiden (he is), 2B has Digital Soul and her Bodies is just replaceable Tools. She has endless numbers of Tries and she will kill Raiden in the end.

But if we take one Round, Raiden is just more powerful and has better weapons.
I Wouldn't Worry About It 2017 年 3 月 23 日 上午 9:11 
引用自 time_tricker
Tech in these 2 games is hardly comparable.
One is like real world that developed too fast and another one is got aliens​ invasion since the age of magic and sword and almost wiped​ out once.
That's not true at all about the setting. Did you even play Nier?
lPaladinl 2017 年 3 月 23 日 上午 9:18 
引用自 Seraph117
引用自 time_tricker
Tech in these 2 games is hardly comparable.
One is like real world that developed too fast and another one is got aliens​ invasion since the age of magic and sword and almost wiped​ out once.
That's not true at all about the setting. Did you even play Nier?

Did you play Drakengard?
BUSTER MACHINE 1 2017 年 3 月 23 日 上午 9:20 
Is everyone a complete idiot here? 2B has not a single comparable feat close to raiden. Dude lifted a metal gear PRE upgrade, stopped the million ton Outer Haven with a single hand while other was cut, and stabbed in the stomach, has a sword that is stronger than any android weapon in Nier (molecular slicing), can move his blade at mach 2200+, and all this without the ripper mode.

Androids die to a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sword stab, we all saw what raiden did in monsoon fight right? That would have killed an android, and this dude was laughing. Also, there is not a single time advantage in nier universe even though it is set in the future because humanity declined. The best tech they have is from 2060 or something because all humans were gestaltised at that point. Hell devola and popola models might be stronger than YoRHa models.

Raiden kills the entire machine menace, and the entire android race alone. MGR universe is ridiculous.
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