Lore Question: How YorHA Android can die completely?

[Northern]

Looks like main Heroes cannot die completely, maximum they lose non-saved Part of Memory but other yorha androids dies here and there on sidequests especially. This is Plothole We shouldnt think about too much or I miss something?

[Tim Timsen]

Because they didn't get their memory backed up and don't get new bodies.

[Northern]

Originally posted by Tim Timsen:

Because they didn't get their memory backed up and don't get new bodies.

9S didnt make Backup in Prologue and System just put his pre-Mission memory into new Body when BlackBox signal was lost. But somehow nameless Androids just dies from time to time

[Janx]

Most the dead androids are Resistance, not YoRHa. The rebel ones presumably don't get back ups. There's also a dead one that 'went quiet' in order to defect and thus presumably also wasn't backed up.

[vnk]

Only YoRHa can get new bodies, Resistance is NOT YoRHa.

Not trying to spoil but, take care not to die on your third playthrough, you won't get a new body.

[Null_User]

Any android without a backup dies for real. In the case of 9s, he had a pre mission backup, but when he used the black box, instead of uploading his after-mission data, he uploaded 2B's instead. Deserter Yorha androids have no back up data, so when they die, they die. Same as resistance members. The one that would be more or less a plot hole on this is 11B so far. She was Yorha when she died and no back up of her is ever mentioned. She's treated as dead. Perhaps even Yorha androids, save a few, are not allowed to have backups.

[Trypetide]

@Hanuke
And you could just say this: - "Commander... Can I ask you why... isn't she allowed to use a backup? Did she do something to prevent that?" - "I'm sorry, 9S. This is classified information." - "I-I... see." - "Glory to manking." - "Glory... to mankind".

[Tambadabam]

It seems like they're unwiling to restore a back up if they're unsure what happened to the original andriod (probably to avoid wasting resourses/avoid confusion if the original is still alive). In 11B's case, they weren't sure what happened to her, and given that her logs showed she wanted to desert YorHa it's unlikely they would want to restore her back up once they found out.

[ICStars77]

Originally posted by Tambadabam:

It seems like they're unwiling to restore a back up if they're unsure what happened to the original andriod (probably to avoid wasting resourses/avoid confusion if the original is still alive). In 11B's case, they weren't sure what happened to her, and given that her logs showed she wanted to desert YorHa it's unlikely they would want to restore her back up once they found out.

While that's a good theory, that still doesn't explain the yorha members that were shot down at the beginning of the prologue mission. Most were hit by a giant freakin lazer beam attached to the robots giant freakin head - instead-death extremely likely from something like that especially at their altitude. Not sure if it's ever stated if those were given a back-up or not, so maybe they were restored, but if not there's no reason to presume they were still alive IMO, but that is a valid point regardless.

[Scorpix]

I think that only the newest and the most important models have their memory banked in the Storage Memory.
Other units won't get restored. They will be just replaced with new unit without any memory of the past.

[cowinspace]

Originally posted by Kalinin:

Originally posted by Tim Timsen:

Because they didn't get their memory backed up and don't get new bodies.

9S didnt make Backup in Prologue and System just put his pre-Mission memory into new Body when BlackBox signal was lost. But somehow nameless Androids just dies from time to time

9S states that he doesn't remember anything after meeting 2B so he likely made a back up just after you met. He used his bandwidth to back up 2B when the blackboxes went off.

Scanners probably have better bandwidth and interfaces than Battle type androids (If you die in the game 9S just backs you up and runs back to an access point).

[Null_User]

Originally posted by cowinspace:

Originally posted by Kalinin:

9S didnt make Backup in Prologue and System just put his pre-Mission memory into new Body when BlackBox signal was lost. But somehow nameless Androids just dies from time to time

9S states that he doesn't remember anything after meeting 2B so he likely made a back up just after you met. He used his bandwidth to back up 2B when the blackboxes went off.

Scanners probably have better bandwidth and interfaces than Battle type androids (If you die in the game 9S just backs you up and runs back to an access point).

In game, you are the one who backs you up, by way of save point and access point unlocking. 9s just shows up at the terminal to wait for the new body.

Here's also another plot hole for me. When the transfer system is talked about in game, 9s explains that the bodies of himself and 2B in Bunker are not the same as those in land, and thus, the transfer system just transfers the data. Makes it seem that physical bodies can only be transported by flight systems instead of teleport technology. BUT, in game, if 2B dies, a new body shows up. If she transfers to anywhere else, she appears from the selected transfer box.

So, how are those bodies all there, when they try to explain and make it seem as if teleporting doesn't exist? Do the bodies get digitally printed on the spot? But that would kind of break the first argument about having a back up body on Bunker for the character to load into. Maybe Bunker is a special case because its far?

I'm trying to put as many ideas and thinking here, but I'd need a bit more help deciding on what exactly happens on Transference.

[SageFreke]

Originally posted by Hanuke:

Originally posted by cowinspace:

9S states that he doesn't remember anything after meeting 2B so he likely made a back up just after you met. He used his bandwidth to back up 2B when the blackboxes went off.

Scanners probably have better bandwidth and interfaces than Battle type androids (If you die in the game 9S just backs you up and runs back to an access point).

In game, you are the one who backs you up, by way of save point and access point unlocking. 9s just shows up at the terminal to wait for the new body.

Here's also another plot hole for me. When the transfer system is talked about in game, 9s explains that the bodies of himself and 2B in Bunker are not the same as those in land, and thus, the transfer system just transfers the data. Makes it seem that physical bodies can only be transported by flight systems instead of teleport technology. BUT, in game, if 2B dies, a new body shows up. If she transfers to anywhere else, she appears from the selected transfer box.

So, how are those bodies all there, when they try to explain and make it seem as if teleporting doesn't exist? Do the bodies get digitally printed on the spot? But that would kind of break the first argument about having a back up body on Bunker for the character to load into. Maybe Bunker is a special case because its far?

I'm trying to put as many ideas and thinking here, but I'd need a bit more help deciding on what exactly happens on Transference.

I suspect the teleportation between spots is just an in game convenience that you re supposed to overlook, there's no particular dialogue justifying it. alternatively, it could be a matter of each teleport spot carrying backup bodies, though that seems unlikely

[Janx]

Teleportation and your backup body just appearing places are likely all just gameplay stuff, like how Pheonix Downs don't work on plot deaths in FF.

The game effectively resets just like any other game if you die, just you have to retrieve your corpse. Enemies respawn, and bosses do their full intro's again.

I doubt the bosses just wait there waiting to do their big intro to every 2B that walks by.

[Shifter]

If you log out, then yes, you start from a save. But if you die - you start from a save point, but all your progress is saved. So 9S probably really back up your memory. And teleporting doen't exist - thats just spare bodies

[Raz//RIP Kentaro Miura]

The game actually explains somewhere that the Resistance keeps resupplying the vending machines.
So as silly as it sounds,someone is running around with a 2B "doll" on his back to squeeze them in there in the case of you biting the dust/not wanting to walk.