Machines in Nier replicant

[Ragna]

If my memory don´t fail me there were machines on earth by the time the gestalt/replicant project was underway.I remember fighting machines with Nier.
Does that mean the aliens had already arrived?
Or those were man made machines?If so for what purpose?

[lPaladinl]

I mean I could spoil it all for you, but you clearly don't remember all of the details of NieR, and haven't played through most of NieR:Automata yet.

[HK-47]

Major spoiler: Due to the failure of project Gestalt, humanity had already been wiped out before the aliens even arrived.

[Ragna]

Yes i know that , i finished automata(a,b,c,d,e).I know humanity was no more.But Nier was living happily with his daughter and the replicants were everywhere.However I saw many machines around the world.That means the machines, aliens were already here for a long time?I did look like it

[Ragna]

I do want major spoilers.Dont hold anything.I don´t even think those are spoilers anymore as I finished the game , but so much information is glitching my brain

[obstructor]

The machines in NieR are man made, this is even confirmed in automata that the models you faced in NieR were man made, not alien made.

[lPaladinl]

There are no Aliens.

The concept of Aliens comes from the Machines (Android and otherwise) confusing what Humans were after so many years had past.

Emil is what Androids think is an Alien. And he was apparently the last Human alive before he was transformed, not an Android like NieR and every other 'human' in NieR.

[Tambadabam]

The machines in the first game were all man made. Alien machines don't appear on earth until about 1500 years after the end of Nier.

[Tambadabam]

Publicado originalmente por lPaladinl:

There are no Aliens.

The concept of Aliens comes from the Machines (Android and otherwise) confusing what Humans were after so many years had past.

Emil is what Androids think is an Alien. And he was apparently the last Human alive before he was transformed, not an Android like NieR and every other 'human' in NieR.

That's... incorrect.
The aliens were real. They were just killed by the machines after machines decided that they didn't have any use for the aliens anymore.
Emil is never confused for an alien.
He was(is?) human, though. You got that part right.
The humans also were not androids (at least most of them weren't, there are a few androids that were pretending to be human.)

[lPaladinl]

Publicado originalmente por Tambadabam:

Publicado originalmente por lPaladinl:

There are no Aliens.

The concept of Aliens comes from the Machines (Android and otherwise) confusing what Humans were after so many years had past.

Emil is what Androids think is an Alien. And he was apparently the last Human alive before he was transformed, not an Android like NieR and every other 'human' in NieR.

That's... incorrect.
The aliens were real. They were just killed by the machines after machines decided that they didn't have any use for the aliens anymore.
Emil is never confused for an alien.
He was(is?) human, though. You got that part right.
The humans also were not androids (at least most of them weren't, there are a few androids that were pretending to be human.)

I didn't say that humans were androids. I said that all of the 'humans' in NieR weren't actually Human. Humans were already extinct, save for Emil apparently.

[Tambadabam]

Publicado originalmente por lPaladinl:

Publicado originalmente por Tambadabam:

That's... incorrect.
The aliens were real. They were just killed by the machines after machines decided that they didn't have any use for the aliens anymore.
Emil is never confused for an alien.
He was(is?) human, though. You got that part right.
The humans also were not androids (at least most of them weren't, there are a few androids that were pretending to be human.)

I didn't say that humans were androids. I said that all of the 'humans' in NieR weren't actually Human. Humans were already extinct, save for Emil apparently.

Again, not quite correct. Humans were alive in the time of Nier, but project Gestalt split them into gestalts(physical souls) and replicants(artificial but still organic bodies that eventually developed intelligence) The reason project gestal failed was was because the gestalts were highly unstable and began to lose intelligence. The only reason they lasted as long as they did was because Nier's Gestalt was 'perfect' and stable, and he could keep other gestalts from destablizing. This lasted until Gestalt Nier decided to try and find his daughter's replicant so she could become complete again, but that involved kidnapping his daughter's replicant, at which point Nier's replicant goes on a revenge quest and ends up killing Gestalt Nier, which dooms the human race to a slow death as the gestalts go crazy.
The exception to this is Kaine, who becomes a complete human in Nier's ending D, but seeing as all replicants are sterile she eventually died without having any children.

[Ragna]

OK,that was very helpfull.
A few more questions.adam and Eve seems very orgânic.so i believe they share the same biology of the Androids.Were they designed from machines,or was their birth a ramdom singularity?Do they take part on the endless cycle of death and rebirth of 9s?The bunker destruction ,yorha,the tower,do everything resets at every cycle?It cant be truth.not even gladious from portal would Go só Far for a test.

[Tambadabam]

Adam and Eve were designed by the machines to resemble humans as closely as possible because the machines saw humanity as a means through which to grow.
They have nothing to do with 9S. 9S's cycle is just something that YorHa set up. Every time 9S learned the truth about humanity being extinct, 2(E)B would kill him, and then they would erase his memory. Automata is the last cycle, as the destruction of the YorHa means there is no one to order 9S to be killed anymore (and 2B would likely not do it of her own will after ending E)

[Captain Howdy]

Adam and Eve are machines, though a more "advanced" version. YoRHa blackboxes are made out of machine cores, and said Cores have the capability of evolution (having the same structures as plant cells). Adam and Eve are an evolution of machines, made to resemble humans as closely as possible. As for their role in the "life and death cycle", I don't know, but I doubt that there were previous iterations of them before the game begins.

Also, Adam definitely did NOT plan the fall of YoRHa, as the hole point of YoRHa was to create better androids using data from previous iterations of combat androids.