Okay this is driving me mad - Act 3, Red Key

[Melony]

EDIT: So, for starters, PLEASE NOTE that GETTING THE GUN TO THE "NO GUN" ROOM IS ALREADY SOLVED, THAT IS *NOT* WHAT IS BEING DISCUSSED IN THIS THREAD. Thank you =3.

I'm seeing EVERYWHERE that people are just using cheaty/glitchy ways to get the red key. As far as I'm concerned this is pure BS. The game is NOT meant to use its glitches to get something done - stacking boxes up somewhere is one thing, jumping on side pipes and climbing them, etc etc, but THROWING ITEMS THROUGH A CAGE is NOT the way it's supposed to be done.

SO HOW IS IT *SUPPOSED* TO BE DONE? I can not find a SINGLE person who has done it ANY kind of "legit" way.

The ONLY candidate I witnessed was when I actually saw someone - they shot all the targets in the room, which obviously causes the box to open so they could pull the lever, but all the cages come down around the WHOLE ROOM. You can flip the switch and unlock the key, but if you press the red button by the back door to open everything back up, it undoes the switch attached to the key.

The ONLY possible legit scenario I saw was, someone did this, got stuck in the room - and then LET THE NEIGHBOR CATCH THEM THROUGH THE BARS. Is THIS how it's *actually* supposed to be done?? I tried jamming the doors with objects to see if the fences wouldn't come all the way down and that didn't work. I can't possibly think of anything else ----

Wait, I JUST had a potential brainstorm. MAYBE after switching the switch, you can SHOOT THROUGH THESE particular fence bars and hit the key, knocking it off of its ring, and then you can reset the room???

I'm gonna give this a shot.

EDIT: Nope, this doesn't work.

Seriously please tell me someone has input.

EDIT, 2020:
So, as of RIGHT NOW, the CLOSEST POSSIBLE legitimate method appears to be a method I'm giving full credit to o0Champ0o for giving us. They said,
"Ok...I THINK I did it in a glitchless way and even then, Im not sure if thats what the devs had in mind:
-Shoot all the targets and put the gun down
-Press the button that resets the gates
-As soon as I pressed the button, walked backwards and pressed the switch before the box closed

It STILL doesnt feel like that was what you are supposed to do but really, I couldnt find another way so...as far as for glitchless ways to do it, currently this seems to be it."

Another idea I'd like to explore a little further, maybe with OTHER ITEMS? Is @Petu's more glitchy suggestion (but still viable, because the game DOES have you utilize this technique with the Moon and Sun doors):
"I found another glitchless way to do it. After you have shooted all the targets you first use the lever so that the red key cage opens. After that go to the left side of the lever cage and shoot an ammunition inside it, this way it will stay in that position and you can go pick up the key."

Thirdly, it was suggested by @Omega Nova0 to utilize the magnet. I'm counting this as an honorable mention, because I'm not sure HOW you'd utilize the magnet, and I'd like to hear more about this technique, because this one actually FEELS pretty legitimate, itself?

Another honorable mention would be @Gripss's technique wherein you keep doing it over and over until the game (for whatever reason) decides not to lower one of the gates for some reason. IF it doesn't lower a gate, I would ASSUME there was a REASON? But. I don't know.


Again: STILL searching for the thing that TRULY feels like a legitimate solve. At this point, EVERYTHING HAS a TRULY LEGITIMATE-FEELING SOLVE *EXCEPT* for this!
Also: As a quick little side-note, I tried TURNING OFF THE POWER and then doing all of this, but the gates aren't connected to the power grid, sadly. I'm not sure why that is. You'd think they would be. For shi*s and giggles, I'm going to try and turn off my OWN power over in MY HOUSE, too, JUST IN CASE, but I'm like 99.99999% sure that's going to do absolutely nothing. Also, I'm going to attempt to wedge items to keep the gate from coming down, or forcing it to pop back up-- maybe there's an item we don't realize exists that could keep the gates from coming down if its wedged in the way?? Like the "scared" mannequin?? Or a chair?? Or I just... *I DON'T KNOOWW*

ALSO, just as a- another "suggestion" - maybe.. different TIMES OF DAY would matter?? Maybeee.. the frozen room needs to be frozen, maybe it'll lock the gates in place somehow--?? MAYBE you actually have to do this whole room as early as possible because maybe when you're ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ around in the rest of the game, you actually make it possible for these gates in this room to trigger!? As in, the same way you drain all the water from the water room-- maybe you have to NOT trigger something somewhere and that'll keep one or more of the gates from falling?? For example, maybe retrieving the crowbar before you do this room causes one of the gates to fall later when it wouldn't earlier?? It'd be interesting to focus FIRST on THIS puzzle and solve as LITTLE AS POSSIBLE beforehand, and see if maybe not triggering an event somewhere else would keep one of the gates from shutting...

Finally: Could the VALVE you broke off that pipe for the water room be used for something for this, maybe?? Just a thoery... I don't even know if that valve is used for anything, period.

Has anyone waited the full time for the tree to grow in the full version?? >>;; could.. could that drop something we need for this??


Right now, I'm liking @o0Champ0o's method the best of all, it FEELS the most legitimate, honestly. So I'm going to work this until I get that version done.


ONCE AGAIN: EXTREMELY sorry for adding a wall of text to this. HOPEFULLY.. I don't know.. something happens with this friggin' puzzle, eventually. It's been YEARS, now, I would HOPE we'd have a LEGITIMATE SOLVE by now!



***EDIT 2, 2020: SO; I am marking o0Champ0o's post as the answer to this, because it feels like the MOST LEGITIMATE way to do it (FOUR YEARS LATER. FOUR. YEARS. LATER.)

I do want to, however, make one note to add on to o0Champ0o's post, for anyone that reads this:
Personally, I had the SWITCH version, which makes it a lot harder to turn the camera exactly where you want it to go to click on buttons and things, especially if you turn down the look sensitivity like I had to do.

My suggestion for this is to do like I did and, instead, equip the gun. Go forward and press the red button, then hold sprint and run backwards as quick as possible while firing and turning toward the lever as it SLOWLY shuts its cage. It DOES seem to shut the cage particularly slow, so maybe this WAS the legitimate solve. I don't know, and I don't think we ever will.

I also want to note that this took me an ACCUMULATED about 30 tries. When I started to get really good at the end, I could hit the trophies every time very quickly, so in the last like 5 times I REALLY tried HARD, that was when I finally achieved it. One of the bullets happened to smack into the lever just before its cover shut all the way and voila, I had access to the red key.

Also, another note for this particular solve: If you're going to do it by shooting it with the gun, I suggest you just leave the lever switched to having the red key box locked, because you wouldn't want to risk accidentally triggering it BACK again just in case, and also, I think you might NOT BE ABLE to trigger it again WHILE its flipping the other way- so the game flips it, and that kills precious seconds you can shoot and force it to trigger again before the cover shuts.

HOPE this HELPS for people who actually CARE about this sort of thing! And MANY THANKS to all the people who continued to visit this thread and talk about this, EVEN FOUR YEARS LATER!!!

Special Thanks and Shout-Outs go to
@Gripss,
@o0Champ0o

Give these guys some love, they're definitely Hello Neighbor fans =D

I'll still check my notifications for new messages here, but have a lovely year guys, don't let COVID bring you down~!

[AceBoi]

you need a gun to shoot the things in the room and then you press the button, get out and the switch should be open

[AceBoi]

i think they leave one way unblocked

[Melony]

Nope, no direction is unblocked. I had that theory too, I was like "Oh I can probaby jump out that back area where you get the super-heated crowbar from!" but you can't even go over THERE because that back room gets blocked off, too.

EVERY room gets blocked off, there is NO WAY to leave the room once you've shot every object on the wall.


@Supa: Right, I know you need the gun and you need to shoot all of the objects on the shelves so that they light up and you have to do it quickly before the green light fades.
I'll do that, but after doing that, the switch to open the key box opens, right? When you flip the switch, EVERY exit to the room has bars slide shut over them. EVERY doorway. The only thing that doesn't get locked off like that are the windows, which makes no difference because they're blockaded with wood so you can't jump out them, anyway. I SUPPOSE my game MIGHT BE BUGGED? You can't place any objects to keep the fencing from closing, and when you un-flip the switch, the cages don't re-lower, either, so it's...

To get OUT of the room, you can go to the back door that had a chair up against it and press a red button on the wall there, but it COMPLETELY resets the WHOLE thing, and the key is locked up again, so THAT does no good either----

I SUPPOSE you could POSSIBLY walk into the other room with the key before you press the switch - maybe you can throw an item at the switch from the other room and then the walls will fall down and you'll be in the room with the key so it'd be okay-? I suppose I can give THAT a shot, that's the only way I can think of it possibly being something thesible.

DEFINITELY there is no way left unblocked.



The only way that's actually relatively possible that makes sense is getting caught by the neighbor through the bars because he DOES seem to come running like IMMEDIATELY as soon as you lock yourself in, so maybe that's an on-purpose feature? And the game DOES kind of vaguely like to use its bug-ish (not ACTUALLY glitch/bug stuff, but stuff that could NEARLY be considered as bug/glitch stuff) to solve some of the puzzles and whatnot, so I GUESS using the neighbor and getting caught is a possible solution?? I don't LIKE IT as the solution but it's the ONLY thing that's REMOTELY 'legit.'





I apologize for another wall of text.

[Leausi]

I did it no cheats!! I went in the room above the security room with the globe and the umbrella and threw it in the door at the top, and when I went back up the gun was in the room, no cheats no glitches, easy

[Leausi]

throw the gun in the door that leads to the target room with the basket balls

[Leausi]

it's easy

[Melony]

@Leausi

No yeah, there are MULTIPLE ways to get the GUN INTO the room, yeah. That's a new one, though -- the way *I* learned how to get the gun into the room is to drop it into the gear mechanism thing way on the rooftop where all those trees are growing, you can open a little trap door and then drop the gun in there and then when you go back down into the security room, you can press the button and that giant horn-like thing in the room will spit the gun out.

Once again: I'm not talking about the GUN, I'm talking about the RED KEY ITSELF.

Once you use the gun to shoot all the targets in the room, all of the exits get sealed; And I do mean ALL of the exits. Once they're all sealed, there is NO WAY to get out - EXCEPT FOR pressing the button to RESET everything. But the problem with the button that resets everything is - JUST THAT. It RESETS EVERYTHING, which means it ALSO locks the Red Key back up.

Again: The ONLY solution I've found that seems even REMOTELY legitimate is allowing the Neighbor to capture you through the bars. It's the only way to get PAST the bars so you can come around to the Red Key. As far as I can tell, other than glitching an item through the cage to press the button, there is no other way to get the Red Key.


Once again, I'm begging everyone: Does anyone know of any LEGITIMATE way to get that red key out of there, or to press that button in the other room without those bars falling down over ALL of the exits??

[MotesBro]

You're supposed to click restart in the pause menu after shooting the stuff.

[Gripss]

I have a easy one
Just get the shoe from off the shelf in the other room. then go right up to the caged lever on the other side of that room and super throw it right at that lever. with any luck, it'll glitch into the cage and flip the lever. Then bam you get the key!

[Mahrik16]

@Gripss Did you read anything?
It's about NOT doing this.

[Gripss]

Originally posted by Mahrik16:

@Gripss Did you read anything?
It's about NOT doing this.

But the way you're trying to do it is much harder than my way...Just trying to make your life easier.

[Melony]

@Grips, @Mahrik

xD; It's OKAY, I do understand that most people just go "well of course I'll glitch the game it's basically a feature at this point" but it's unnecessary to be rude about them saying how they did it. For all we know, we'll hear a way that SOUNDS semi-illegitimate that's MORE legitimate than the methods we've all used up to this point, so no fighting k.
I understand the impatience of people being "ignorant" and refusing to read a whole thread, but that does take time, so.

Thanks for anyone who's continued saying anything here, it seems we still don't have the "legitimate solve" to this puzzle, though xD

[Melony]

@Motes actually, that may be the "legitimate" way, THAT'S officially the closest possible "solve" I've heard of so far, I could absolutely see the developers using that.

[o0Champ0o]

I go on a limb and say that there still hasnt been a solution? Cant one of the developers finally solve the secret, of NOT having to shove a shoe into a box?

[Gripss]

I found out.

Go to the roof with the gun.
Throw the gun into the cogs.
go to the No Guns room.
Hit that lever, the gun should shoot out.
Shoot the items.
Repeat until you have a way out (Ex until some of the gates are open. Or you could go thru the door.)
Grab the Key.
Done.