.270 underpowered?

[AngryEagle]

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I have shot this moose right in the skull and brain yet it never penetraded the skull for some reason.
The 2 followup shots are placed at the lungs(in a angle) yet never went in deep enough to get to the lungs.
Did the °270 recieve a nerf in penetrating power?
I am using the penetrating rounds btw not the expanding one's.
Did last patch change anything with the °270 because i never had any trouble with the rifle before.
The accuracy seems off aswell for some reason, when aiming death center on the torso to get a dubbel lung shot the shot sometimes goes nowhere.
The rifle seems different now then before the patch.

[RamMack]

For one the skull is all bone, not a good place to be aiming

[Tomahawk]

I have noticed the same. Especially with mooses, they all have an adamantium skeleton it seems. .270 point blank ... nope, just a flesh wound.

[Pssycho]

Wouldn't take long for the chorus line of "don't shoot for the head" replies.

But focusing on the penetrating power. Yea, one of the last couple patches I noticed that bullets would stop before entering vitals and just be counted as "flesh" wounds.

Hell I was using a 338 with the p-tip bullets and shot a moose bull under 200 yards head on in the heart area and the bullet never reached the heart. it looked like it stopped after about 6 inches, when normally it would have been a heart shot, was credited with a "flesh" shot.

So yea, I think they did a stealth nerf. Just like they did about 3 patches ago when they messed with the sound.

[El Turista]

Originally posted by theone5857:

Wouldn't take long for the chorus line of "don't shoot for the head" replies.

Me, me! I do!!

It's stupid to shot a solid, hard and convex surface in any situation. Period.

We know that even hard flesh from a hog, or he's hair can cause a ricochet. The same with deers and even a rabbit skull can deflect an arrow! And it's like that (wha?!) And that's the way it is Xd


Back on topic, maybe that I noticed a bit less powerfull the .270 rounds.

It's hard to achieve a double lung even Whit smaller (supposed not appropriate) game like black tails.

[Pssycho]

Originally posted by El Turista:

Originally posted by theone5857:

Wouldn't take long for the chorus line of "don't shoot for the head" replies.

Me, me! I do!!

It's stupid to shot a solid, hard and convex surface in any situation. Period.

Skulls are solid? Convex? The way you make it sound animals have an "8 ball" for a head.
And no there are situations where head shots are perfectly acceptable. Its all about the angle of attack, if it is straight on like his screen shot there is no ricochet, even by your phantom hair. Its the skull shots that are glancing ones that are the problem.

So yea, it is stupid to shoot an "8 ball" but that is not what we are shooting now is it?

[El Turista]

Originally posted by theone5857:

Originally posted by El Turista:

Me, me! I do!!

It's stupid to shot a solid, hard and convex surface in any situation. Period.

Skulls are solid? Convex? The way you make it sound animals have an "8 ball" for a head.
And no there are situations where head shots are perfectly acceptable. Its all about the angle of attack, if it is straight on like his screen shot there is no ricochet, even by your phantom hair. Its the skull shots that are glancing ones that are the problem.

So yea, it is stupid to shoot an "8 ball" but that is not what we are shooting now is it?

Hope you have the opportunity to see an animal skull irl. Bone is solid, much more than the rest of the tissue in any animal. The bone is so hard that was used to make tools for thousands of years. A skull has multiple convex surfaces that can cause a glance, not always a ricochet, that's right. And the fur and tick muscles of an animal can cause glancing hits if you don't shot trying to aproach to a 90° as much as you can. Any problem? The only problem in my previous post was not saying "glance" instead of ricochet? Or was only that you have an urge to say your "8 ball" joke? Whatever...

Oh! And something I forget to say before. Shoting to de head you've a nice opportunity to ruin the trophy.

[Pssycho]

I know what animal skulls look like, I think you are the one that should study up on anatomy. Skulls are not solid, in fact they are quite hollow. Do yourself a favor and google "Deer Skull Cross Section" and look at the image results.

"Bone is solid" - Technically no, again, google what bone composition is.

Pretty sure primitive species that used tools if they needed something hard, they used a rock. However if they needed something thin and sharp, edges from fragments of a skull (which are thin) would be used for cutting.

[El Turista]

Originally posted by theone5857:

.... Skulls are not solid, in fact they are quite hollow. Do yourself a fav...

... And I stopped reading.

https://www.google.es/search?q=solid+definition&oq=solid+d&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j0l2.1834j0j7&client=ms-android-google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Kiddo, go "troll" your self.

Farewell

[El Turista]

Originally posted by WildCat:

They were saying in the live stream weeks ago that they were investigating reducing the effect headshots have in order to encourage more ethical hunting, i.e. heart/lung shots, based on the fact that many anmials don't have "easy target" brains that fill their whole skull, like humans, but smaller brains lower in their skull that if you miss simply causes head injury. It's possible they may have introduced this. I don't see the need, personally. If people want to be "unethical" and go for headshots, which result in having to tracks tons of targets because they failed to get an insta-kill, so be it. The game rewards success with the Quick Kill Bonus, so there's no point nerfing selective body parts to being practically invulnerable to damage. Just keep the ability to make headshots resulting in brain damage very hard to achieve. Even heart shorts can be tricky to place when the target is standing right in front of you.

Mate... Wata brick :)

Head shots are an option but no skull shots. If that game is showing "the back" and eating, drinking or smelling something the opportunity come when the head is stationary and you can put a EXPANSIVE round betwin the vertebrae collum and the skull (a nice gap) o just in the top of the spine. I repeat... Expansive rounds. When it get the 2 cm of flesh they do an Armageddon of pure energy and some metal scrapes... And that do the work. The scraps bounce inside the SOLID skull and liquated Everett live necessary tissue on it.

A frontal shot is just stupid. Period. (A side shot must be considered, but a lung-liver shot is sister and easyer) sorry I mean with hunting rounds. With a .50 military grade round you can shot a brick, a helmet and the skull behind ... And even a 440 block... But that are not the rounds we re working with.

Wildcat... At least an adult to talk to. Welcome. ;)

[Lt. Heinz Becker]

I don't bother with the polymer rounds. Soft points equals more expansion which in turn equals more damage.

With that being said, if you shot a moose in the head with a .270 IRL, you'd prolly be looking down its throat when you get to it, because there wouldn't be much of a head left.

150 grain SP's going about 3,000 FPS is gunna do a lot of damage to whatever it hits. Would it be my ideal choice if I went moose hunting, prolly not. I'd prolly go for a .300 Win. Mag. or a .300 Weatherby.

Head shots are not ethical unless your a turkey hunter or a meat hunter. I think most of the weapons in this game are underpowered, but thats my opinion.

[El Turista]

Originally posted by Lt. Heinz Becker:

I don't bother with the polymer rounds. Soft points equals more expansion which in turn equals more damage.

With that being said, if you shot a moose in the head with a .270 IRL, you'd prolly be looking down its throat when you get to it, because there wouldn't be much of a head left.

150 grain SP's going about 3,000 FPS is gunna do a lot of damage to whatever it hits. Would it be my ideal choice if I went moose hunting, prolly not. I'd prolly go for a .300 Win. Mag. or a .300 Weatherby.

Head shots are not ethical unless your a turkey hunter or a meat hunter. I think most of the weapons in this game are underpowered, but thats my opinion.

I only use "polymer tips" for a critical hit at long shots (more than 90m to me)

I don't agree that the 270 rounds could remove a F U K I N moose bull head... That's as bis as the table I've between the TV and the sofa to put my beer and my deers on it. (EDIT my o my... As you suppose English isn't the first lenguaje in my cell phone ... Sorry)

And about the grain... I don't know where I read it or if it's about"the classic" .243 and 270 are downgraded to 90 grain... And that makes my previous statement about using various grains at the same caliber (another discussion)

I'm sorry but we don't have access to military degree amo. The hunting amo is designed to penetrate a bit and expand. That is coz if you hit a shoulder plater you've done a miss... This ammo is intended to penetrate a thin tissue (flesh) and expand in an organ (,lung preferably, heart liver, stomach.... But the last is not desirable course you're gonna run a marathon to reclaim a sure harvest...)


Back on it... .270 is a great round. Me my self are thinking to get one of those. Some of my friends says that go for a .300w but I think that it's a great "in between" caliber to take any deer here in my country (Spain) and a nice one for ambushinh hogs

But every thing is expensive and after trying many things i believe that I'm not going for a rifle (but I love them) and go for a better shotgun and a bow (friend of mine idnonbit and looks awesome)

One more time I was thinking slid

Pleasure Becker 07

[El Turista]

As the physics engine is right now (a bit confusing, tell you later) I strictly use "polymer" (supposed piercing) rounds for Longshot. To be sure to get a vital hit at more than 75m

* I said that the engine is confusing because the "supposed" 50 piercing capacity of the .357 if far, far, FAAAAAAAR away of the same 50 piercing of an 4xx arrow. Extensively played both and arrow outperforms the magnum in every situation and reach. Whit the polymer 357 I've problems to take a crit on a F c k red fox... With the basic arrow (4xx grain... Can't remember) I've take moose with 100 quick kill. I swear

Back on it... Learning to use "expansive" (basic rounds) is profitable. They cause much more bleed (that at then end is what kills much of the game" and gives the opportunity to aim for lung (for kill) and liver (for extra bleed) or to shot at neck (no recommend) and take a vertebrae... Or as I said before exploit the huge gap on mammals between colum and skull to get a beautiful shot and liquate wathever is in it

[ProLeetNoob]

it says you shot it in the jaw. thats not a head shot thats a miss. a bad one too.

[Gangrene]

Originally posted by Lt. Heinz Becker:

I don't bother with the polymer rounds.

Once I get the polymer rounds I never look back.

[El Turista]

Originally posted by Gangrene:

Originally posted by Lt. Heinz Becker:

I don't bother with the polymer rounds.

Once I get the polymer rounds I never look back.

Badly done, mate.

Under efficient range (150m in game for rifle rounds) soft hollow points are great. If you use polimer tips for neck and spinal know that you can perform it with hollow under 100m or so in many trargets.

I use them to a comfort distance of 90m for .270 and 75m for .243. over those distances I tend to use polymer to assure a crit.

Try them again, you don't regret.