Rifle ideas

[McSqurl Nugget]

Here's what i'd like to see for new rifles and changes to existing.

Small game = Class 1 & 2

Existing Rifles
• .22 LR = Class 1
  
• .223 = Class 2 & 3

Add .17 Winchester, or .22-250, or .22 Win Mag for Class 1 & 2 both.

Middle classes 3-7

Please no more!! we have 8 rifles already for this large group.

Large Game Class 8 & 9

Existing Rifles
• .300
  
• .338
  
• .470 (Class 9 only, short range)

These rifles are worthless, they won't reliably drop a moose or a buffalo/bison (excluding the .470 but it is worthless over 150m)

if you read the safari blogs, the most popular rifles for big game like water buffalo are the .30-06 (can't reliably knock down a moose in the game, let alone a buffalo/bison), the .300 Win Mag (worse than the .338 and look! they're in the game now but they suck!), the .338 (again, under powered garbage), the .375 H&H or Ruger, the .416 Rigby, and the .458 Win.

So since we already have the .300 and .338 in the game but they're severely lacking, please add the .375, or the .416, or the .458 so we can reliably put down moose and buffalo/bison at range.

[Kaned Dragon]

I was looking at the Classic weapon list and I think the 7mm Magnum Bullpup rifle.

https://thehunter.fandom.com/wiki/7mm_Magnum_Bullpup_Rifle

Would a 5 round, bolt action modern styled rifle be any good?
Please bare in mind, I don't know how powerful the 7mm compares to the above RL :)
But I remember that thing being a little OP in classic.
Plus it's already in classic, and no reason I can see it can't be in COTW.

[Kaned Dragon]

Would the 9.3x62 cartridge be a better fit?
9.3x62 Anschütz 1780 D FL Bolt Action Rifle

https://thehunter.fandom.com/wiki/9.3x62_Ansch%C3%BCtz_1780_D_FL_Bolt_Action_Rifle_(Engraved)

[Armus]

Originally posted by McSqurl Nugget:

Add .17 Winchester, or .22-250, or .22 Win Mag for Class 1 & 2 both.

I like the idea, though right now class 1 animals are paper targets. If you hit them anywhere they will instantly die. If that changed it would be nice to have more calibre's that cover class 1-3 and possibly a fix for the .22 LR.

Originally posted by McSqurl Nugget:

Middle classes 3-7

Please no more!! we have 8 rifles already for this large group.

There might be many rifles that roughly cover those classes, but I'd like to eventually see at least the .308 and 7.92x57.

Originally posted by McSqurl Nugget:

So since we already have the .300 and .338 in the game but they're severely lacking, please add the .375, or the .416, or the .458 so we can reliably put down moose and buffalo/bison at range.

Agreed and I think the .375 H&H and the .416 Rigby were the most requested.

[McSqurl Nugget]

For the middle classes i've always wanted a .308 it's my favorite rifle in my collection.

I'd rather see more small and large game rifles first though, especially a large game rifle that can take on Bison so they don't run a mile. .300 and .338 both suck, unless you're shooting Elk, they do very well for class 7. moose and Bison they rarely and not reliably can get a double lung or lung and heart.

[Gambit]

I know its more a military looking rifle, but what do you think of the desert tech srs? It comes in all important nato calibers up to 338 lapua magnum

[Ren Moriyama]

I really wish that the 22LR had more power and was usable on class 2 and potentially class 3. In reality the 22LR is used for a range of small game and varmints.

Here in Australia I know a lot of people that use 22LR on rabbit, Wild dog, Fox, Red/Grey kangaroo, Emu, and Feral Goat. Granted most use brain shots on all animals (which wouldn't pass the harvest check), but it has much more power than hitting a fox and not penetrating the flesh.

[will wabbit hunter]

Originally posted by Ren Moriyama:

I really wish that the 22LR had more power and was usable on class 2 and potentially class 3. In reality the 22LR is used for a range of small game and varmints.

Here in Australia I know a lot of people that use 22LR on rabbit, Wild dog, Fox, Red/Grey kangaroo, Emu, and Feral Goat. Granted most use brain shots on all animals (which wouldn't pass the harvest check), but it has much more power than hitting a fox and not penetrating the flesh.

the legal minimum for kangaroos is 222 remington and 223 and above 22LR. is fine for rabbits. red fox iffy unless there close and even then it's better to use something with more punch no sane person would choose the 22LR to hunt feral dogs/crossbred dogs in Australia not when some of those dogs have german shepard genes in them and at that size you need a centerfire rifle for them. and feral goats and emu need a centerfire round to be killed quickly. and cleanly. and there's laws about deer hunting in Australia in some states where the 270 is the legal minimum to hunt deer.

[Ren Moriyama]

Originally posted by will wabbit hunter:

Originally posted by Ren Moriyama:

I really wish that the 22LR had more power and was usable on class 2 and potentially class 3. In reality the 22LR is used for a range of small game and varmints.

Here in Australia I know a lot of people that use 22LR on rabbit, Wild dog, Fox, Red/Grey kangaroo, Emu, and Feral Goat. Granted most use brain shots on all animals (which wouldn't pass the harvest check), but it has much more power than hitting a fox and not penetrating the flesh.

the legal minimum for kangaroos is 222 remington and 223 and above 22LR. is fine for rabbits. red fox iffy unless there close and even then it's better to use something with more punch no sane person would choose the 22LR to hunt feral dogs/crossbred dogs in Australia not when some of those dogs have german shepard genes in them and at that size you need a centerfire rifle for them. and feral goats and emu need a centerfire round to be killed quickly. and cleanly. and there's laws about deer hunting in Australia in some states where the 270 is the legal minimum to hunt deer.

Yeah I agree, when I tell people that go hunting in the region that 22LR isn't legal or powerful enough for what they want to hunt, they typically tell me to F-off, most say that them and their old man, uncles, brothers, grandpa have used 22LR on everything that moved since time immemorial. However it doesn't stop them from bringing in a ute tray with roo and goat.The anecdote was meant as more of a statement about the 22LR being more capable than shown in game, with the shot ceasing all penetration the moment it hits something like a rabbit or duck.

Additionally most of the stations owners, shooters out here take Fox pretty regularly with the 22. don't know about coyote or eurasian Lynx though, but I would like the option to use standard 22Lr (non-hollow-point) on class 2 in the game, more to vary up the utility of the 22 rifle and pistol.

[eagle74]

+1 for a class 1-2 small caliber. While people shoot coyote w 22 LR in RL, it is marginal for that purpose.

Also would not mind them adding the 375 H&H or 416 Rigby for the big stuff. I don't have the 300, but it doesn't sound like I am missing much. IMO they need to buff the 338 for sure. In game performance on moose, bison, & buffalo is not worthy of the name.

[hunterPRO1]

why make the 223 even worse against the 243

[McSqurl Nugget]

Originally posted by eagle74:

+1 for a class 1-2 small caliber. While people shoot coyote w 22 LR in RL, it is marginal for that purpose.

Also would not mind them adding the 375 H&H or 416 Rigby for the big stuff. I don't have the 300, but it doesn't sound like I am missing much. IMO they need to buff the 338 for sure. In game performance on moose, bison, & buffalo is not worthy of the name.

agreed, i'd like to see the fox and jackal reclassed. on average, at least in the US, coyotes are at least double the size of fox, and Eastern yotes are bigger than their western cousins. Jackal are roughly the same size as fox.

Common adult sizes -

Coyote = 20 - 50 lbs
Jackal = 12 - 30 lbs
Red Fox = 5 - 25 lbs
Jackrabbit = 4 - 15 lbs

And on that note, the other class 2 animal -
Musk Deer = 20-35 lbs.

So makes sense to me to move fox and jackal to class 1, they're more in size with the bunnies, and adjust the 22 for 40gr so they can kill them with, dare i say it, integrity. At least the fox anyway, Jackal is a toss up as it's pretty much the same as the Musk Deer.

[eagle74]

I would support either:

1-Chamber the existing 22 rifle & pistol for 22 win mag class 1-2.

2-Make the 223 good for class 1-4. Yes, it is a bit overkill for class 1. They could add a new varmint load for class 1.

I'm not optimistic that they will do these bc there's no money in it for them.