Trade Off For Noisy Backpacks.

[☠djb204☠]

Sure backpacks provide more storage, but honestly I don’t know anyone who uses them regardless. They are just too damn noisy. It doesn’t matter how much more stuff I can carry, they just aren’t worth it. Now....

If there is one use for backpacks that the devs could implement which I’ve seen numerous hunters use time and time again. Backpacks have been used as rifle rests to stabilize scope sway. If the devs offered this option for prone shots, then I think it would be a worthy trade off for the noisy backpack.

The prone position is a very circumstantial shot based on terrain so it wouldn’t be an OP feature. It could even take a moment to set up, but it would be stable.

[cbrrrman]

I use a backpak... Have since its inception (DLC)

Never stopped me from netting near 8000 animals and $ 5,000,000 in game coin.

Not sure what the complaint is. Plenty of other game bugs to complain about.

[Tommyangelo]

djb204 , okay lets see we are hold multiple guns, callers,scents, and if you choose a big backpack you can hold even more, I have had more then one weapon in and on backpack in rl you try hiking more then 8 miles with it see you don't get tired make noise even from a trained people it takes it toll this game doesn't even make you get tired like you would in rl even with a backpack you can kill gold ranked animals just fine and thats when your trying with biggest back pack in-game I dont get diamond because 90% time i only walk but even then I get the kills just fine sometimes I know its a bad placed shot and know not bother looking in rl I would never do that to a animal but this is a game so who cares

[Snail Rancher]

They're great for packing in a tent and then taking them off again once you have arrived, and that is about it. Even the bum-bag is noisy.

[☠djb204☠]

Originally posted by cbrrrman:

I use a backpak... Have since its inception (DLC)

Never stopped me from netting near 8000 animals and $ 5,000,000 in game coin.

How much of those 8000 are Diamonds?

Originally posted by Tommyangelo:

djb204 , okay lets see we are hold multiple guns, callers,scents, and if you choose a big backpack you can hold even more, I have had more then one weapon in and on backpack in rl you try hiking more then 8 miles with it see you don't get tired make noise even from a trained people it takes it toll this game doesn't even make you get tired like you would in rl even with a backpack you can kill gold ranked animals just fine and thats when your trying with biggest back pack in-game I dont get diamond because 90% time i only walk but even then I get the kills just fine sometimes I know its a bad placed shot and know not bother looking in rl I would never do that to a animal but this is a game so who cares

I guess I hunt a little more realistically. Like real life I don’t carry a gun for every single situation and/or animal. If I’m elk hunting for example:

.338
Elk call
Elk scent spray

If I’m bow hunting I’ll load out accordingly. I ain’t Rambo so I ain’t packing artillery for an army.

Originally posted by Snail Rancher:

They're great for packing in a tent and then taking them off again once you have arrived, and that is about it. Even the bum-bag is noisy.

Probably. But I have all outposts claimed already, and tents in my favourite hotspots.

In the end it was just a suggestion for players with a realistic play style. No harm, no fowl.

[Tommyangelo]

Originally posted by djb204:

Originally posted by cbrrrman:

I use a backpak... Have since its inception (DLC)

Never stopped me from netting near 8000 animals and $ 5,000,000 in game coin.

How much of those 8000 are Diamonds?

Originally posted by Tommyangelo:

djb204 , okay lets see we are hold multiple guns, callers,scents, and if you choose a big backpack you can hold even more, I have had more then one weapon in and on backpack in rl you try hiking more then 8 miles with it see you don't get tired make noise even from a trained people it takes it toll this game doesn't even make you get tired like you would in rl even with a backpack you can kill gold ranked animals just fine and thats when your trying with biggest back pack in-game I dont get diamond because 90% time i only walk but even then I get the kills just fine sometimes I know its a bad placed shot and know not bother looking in rl I would never do that to a animal but this is a game so who cares

I guess I hunt a little more realistically. Like real life I don’t carry a gun for every single situation and/or animal. If I’m elk hunting for example:

.338
Elk call
Elk scent spray

If I’m bow hunting I’ll load out accordingly. I ain’t Rambo so I ain’t packing artillery for an army.

Originally posted by Snail Rancher:

They're great for packing in a tent and then taking them off again once you have arrived, and that is about it. Even the bum-bag is noisy.

Probably. But I have all outposts claimed already, and tents in my favourite hotspots.

In the end it was just a suggestion for players with a realistic play style. No harm, no fowl.

guessing you never served or you would picked up on some that anyways in-game if you don't want added noise crawl to everything or lose backpack or don't. I don't care but when you complain about a in-game problem your suggestion no noise from backpack but this is a more realistic game what many us enjoy. example in rl is soldier have him haul 80-100lbs idc who you are you will get tired fast conditioning or not personally I think they need reduce weight capacity about as much you just mention 1 rifle, caller maybe backup gun soldier or not certain places you want pistol like a .454 hunting guides do that too because they don't want be on anyone menu

[☠djb204☠]

Originally posted by Tommyangelo:

Originally posted by djb204:

How much of those 8000 are Diamonds?



I guess I hunt a little more realistically. Like real life I don’t carry a gun for every single situation and/or animal. If I’m elk hunting for example:

.338
Elk call
Elk scent spray

If I’m bow hunting I’ll load out accordingly. I ain’t Rambo so I ain’t packing artillery for an army.



Probably. But I have all outposts claimed already, and tents in my favourite hotspots.

In the end it was just a suggestion for players with a realistic play style. No harm, no fowl.

guessing you never served or you would picked up on some that anyways in-game if you don't want added noise crawl to everything or lose backpack or don't. I don't care but when you complain about a in-game problem your suggestion no noise from backpack but this is a more realistic game what many us enjoy. example in rl is soldier have him haul 80-100lbs idc who you are you will get tired fast conditioning or not personally I think they need reduce weight capacity about as much you just mention 1 rifle, caller maybe backup gun soldier or not certain places you want pistol like a .454 hunting guides do that too because they don't want be on anyone menu

Guessing you never hunted or you would picked up on some that. Hunters don’t crawl to everything. Watch some rl hunting videos on YouTube before you talk about a “realistic” game that many of us enjoy.

Also, you claim I suggested no noise from backpacks? aw, where exactly did you get that idea? Completely false, but since we are on the topic.... Making noise when being 100% completely stationary is not realistic, I don’t care how big the backpacks are. When your not moving you should be quiet. Do these in-game hunters have music blaring out their backpacks or something?

Also, nothing is going to eat you on Hirschfelden, nothing is going to eat you on Layton Lake (yes even black bear) they are too timid, even in game.

[Tommyangelo]

Originally posted by djb204:

Originally posted by Tommyangelo:

guessing you never served or you would picked up on some that anyways in-game if you don't want added noise crawl to everything or lose backpack or don't. I don't care but when you complain about a in-game problem your suggestion no noise from backpack but this is a more realistic game what many us enjoy. example in rl is soldier have him haul 80-100lbs idc who you are you will get tired fast conditioning or not personally I think they need reduce weight capacity about as much you just mention 1 rifle, caller maybe backup gun soldier or not certain places you want pistol like a .454 hunting guides do that too because they don't want be on anyone menu

Guessing you never hunted or you would picked up on some that. Hunters don’t crawl to everything. Watch some rl hunting videos on YouTube before you talk about a “realistic” game that many of us enjoy.

Also, you claim I suggested no noise from backpacks? aw, where exactly did you get that idea? Completely false, but since we are on the topic.... Making noise when being 100% completely stationary is not realistic, I don’t care how big the backpacks are. When your not moving you should be quiet. Do these in-game hunters have music blaring out their backpacks or something?

Also, nothing is going to eat you on Hirschfelden, nothing is going to eat you on Layton Lake (yes even black bear) they are too timid, even in game.

watch some rl hunting videos on youtube, lol
I dont need to watch videos to know how to hunt in real-life I hope you know your making yourself look like a idiot going talking like your a hunter by that statement. Most people don't crawl much in real in fact in south its common for hunters to sit in a blind and wait me personally I don't normally I go to them and unlike you I was trained to normally to go after others but when you use that find game and aint afraid of a little dirt or some bugs you get your target you claim you mention nothing about noise heres a quote from you below asking trade off noise I have seen all kinds hunters north american,south america,africa and much more some bring little as possibel stay out couple hours to staying out for days bring everything but the kitchen sink some that gear will make noise when wind is out. your statement is below if you wished view it.

"If there is one use for backpacks that the devs could implement which I’ve seen numerous hunters use time and time again. Backpacks have been used as rifle rests to stabilize scope sway. If the devs offered this option for probe shots, then I think it would be a worthy trade off for the noisy backpack.

[Cederic]

I use a backpack to avoid having to empty my inventory when I want to lug a tent somewhere. Then I pitch the tent and use it to ditch the backpack.

I would like greater carry capacity because I'm not a RL hunter and if I was I'd shoot everything with a stupidly big gun because RL doesn't have integrity constraints. The game does so I need a range of weapons to efficiently take down whichever animals I encounter, and when it can take an hour to find an animal too right I want the right weapon to use.

But I don't use a backpack because it does add too much noise and visibility. I think the suggestion to use it as a weapon rest is a nice one and should certainly be an option, but it's not one I'd use anyway; without the backpack I can get close enough for a clear shot so don't need the rest.

[cybvep]

I had a different idea for simple backpack rebalance. Check it here: https://steamcommunity.com/app/518790/discussions/2/1779387743947425962/

By far the biggest problem is that even when standing still, the backpack generates noise! It's ridiculous and probably can be counted as a bug.

BTW I think that people overemphasize the impact of carrying capacity for loadout restrictions.

Firstly, there is a perk which increases the player's carrying capacity by 15% (3 points) and that can greatly improve versatility of the player's loadout in general and doesn't generate any noise.

Secondly, when you learn the reserve's geography, you will also learn that some animals are mostly restricted to 1-2 regions, so you don't really need to carry a gun for every animal species in the reserve all the time. Here are two obvious examples:
- bisons are rarely encountered outside western regions in Hirschfelden, so if you are hunting in the eastern parts of the reserve, you don't need to bother with .338 or .470.
- the mountain/elevated area in western part of Vurhonga is full of scrub hares and jackals and pretty much nothing else, so you can easily focus on weapons suitable for small game hunting.

Thirdly, waterfowl hunting works best when you are focusing on it fully, so carrying .22 LR or shotgun with birdshot all the time just in case you encounter ducks is usually a waste of time. If you want to hunt ducks, make some effort. Place a tent, a waterfowl blind and some decoys, grab a shotgun and/or .22 LR and hit that caller button (duck caller's range is huge!). If you are not having any luck during 5-10 minutes or the area suddenly becomes quiet, fast travel to a different area and repeat the whole process. When you are finished, you will not really be needing .22 LR or birdshot any longer, so why waste that carrying capacity?

[eagle74]

Noise & visibility are at the top of list of unwanted attributes in this game. IMO there is no worthy trade off for this. At the least, the fanny pack that adds 3 units to carry weight should come w/o this penalty. As it stands, they are useless.

[Tommyangelo]

Originally posted by eagle74:

Noise & visibility are at the top of list of unwanted attributes in this game. IMO there is no worthy trade off for this. At the least, the fanny pack that adds 3 units to carry weight should come w/o this penalty. As it stands, they are useless.

I agree packs need rebalanced based what you carry some items make more noise then others and other have more weight like extra rifle or pistol if its not on waist or somewhere out the way for easy access a bunch of callers will make alot more sound then 1 caller and say something soft dampen sound like gauze or netting for your game be deer or elk I used know one buddy in Iraq we both packed same stuff but I swear everyone for a mile would have heard him coming we made him pack it over and over for weeks till he packed it right because my god he had might well had alarm bells for people....

[PicSoul]

I'll just copy/paste my response to this from one of the many other threads created on this subject that I've commented in.

While I think they should add a very small amount to the noise meter WHILE MOVING, I think the added noise is way too exaggerated and the fact that just wearing a backpack and not even moving causes you to make more noise is very weird.

I don't know ANYONE that uses them because as Snail Rancher said, it's easier and makes more sense to just carry a tent. Right now, in my opinion, backpacks are completely useless.

It's a shame too because I'm sure someone spent quite a lot of time developing them and I'm also sure that many players would love to use them, but that just not a valid tactic at this time.

Personally, I would love to see them get some attention and maybe actually be used by players.

I have another more involved solution that I doubt would ever happen but would be kind of nice to see. In addition to lowering the noise created while wearing a backpack, and removing the noise created while just standing there, I think it would be handy if while out an about we could remove the backpack at any time and it would place it on the ground and place a marker on the map/huntermate. Then you could more stealthily carry on with your hunt and return at a later time to collect your backpack. This would also cause you to need to plan your hunt more carefully. Imagine being ready to take a shot and remembering you need ammo, ammo that is 500m behind you in your backpack leaning next to a tree.

[Tommyangelo]

I like that last one really good idea

[PicSoul]

Add in djb's idea of using the pack as a rest and you have a deployable shooting rest. Would be pretty handy.

[Tommyangelo]

Originally posted by PicSoul:

Add in djb's idea of using the pack as a rest and you have a deployable shooting rest. Would be pretty handy.

I would find fallen timber in woods make a gun rest while standing sometimes maybe a bi-pod or something be better sometimes you have take a shot standing rather its tall brush or whatever