"and ammunition is now permitted for a specified range of classes."

[Waldherz]

Soo...does this mean that we can no longer go out and hunt with whatever tool we want to use?

E.g. if you want a rifle for class 1 you need to buy the DLC??

[MouldyK]

.223 Docent is the only Class 1 Rifle and is in Base Game. Same with the 12 GA Birdshot Bullets and 300gr Arrows.

The Handgun can't be used for Class 1 Animals.

[Waldherz]

Originally posted by MouldyK:

.223 Docent is the only Class 1 Rifle and is in Base Game. Same with the 12 GA Birdshot Bullets and 300gr Arrows.

The Handgun can't be used for Class 1 Animals.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/498165152034717717/670296822551543848/unknown.png

[Waldherz]

So basicaly this game is going the same way that the free to play version is going now.
Restrciting this and that, new items tied to DLC etc.

Yay! Just what I paid money for!

[Lenny Rat]

This will force hunters to carry more weapons or reduce their ability to take advantage of opportunistic hunts.

For example; yesterday I was hunting ducks. I carried my .22LR and a 20ga shotgun. I also carried my Solokhin 1890 in case a nice deer or coyote happened along.

Low and behold, out of the trees walks a really nice buck Moose. Level 4 with a 240+ trophy rating. I am on a tripod and he is very close and stopped still. I am easily able to line up a perfect heart shot and drop him instantly with my 1890.

Will I now get zero integrity for this hunt?

[Waldherz]

If you even are allowed to shoot at it and not get a "Invalid Target".
I also carry a couple of weapons. I also like to hunt with the airrifle only. And I shot a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bear with it in the heart and it died on spot.
Would also be no longer possible.

[Lenny Rat]

Originally posted by Waldherz彡:

If you even are allowed to shoot at it and not get a "Invalid Target".
I also carry a couple of weapons. I also like to hunt with the airrifle only. And I shot a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bear with it in the heart and it died on spot.
Would also be no longer possible.

"Invalid Target" would be total BS. Talk about an immersion killer.

[Waldherz]

Yea I hope it wont be that way.
(I had that quite a few times in singleplayer anyways though....)

[MouldyK]

Originally posted by Waldherz彡:

If you even are allowed to shoot at it and not get a "Invalid Target".
I also carry a couple of weapons. I also like to hunt with the airrifle only. And I shot a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bear with it in the heart and it died on spot.
Would also be no longer possible.

I guess you would be penalised because it's not the correct weapon, like here:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/518790/discussions/0/1744517352131959241/

[Waldherz]

:|

Lets try to make them change their plans.
This is a videogame and not real hunting.
And Im affraid that this is getting the game one step closer ot the free to play version. Step by Step.

[Mr. Ed]

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Scoring on Bec Ibex and Mouflon in CC is totally messed up IMO. I saw pics of two 5 -Medium Mouflon where one weighed right about 1 KG more than the other but lighter weight one had a little over 1 pt higher in TR than the heavier one. The lighter weight one had a final score 14 pts lower than the heavier one despite having a higher TR. Really, should 1 kg in weight be worth over 14 pts in final score?(Both were diamonds but that's beside the point.) On Bec Ibex I've harvested Lvl 4s with TRs above 196 (gold) and 5-Medium diamonds with TRs of 191 and change. It's so bad that if I had 2 Level 5-Medium Bec Ibex standing next to one another I'd shoot the one with the smaller horns first because it stands a significantly higher chance of actually being a diamond than the one with horns like airplane wings. Makes me wonder..looking at the posted minimum scores for both species to be of diamond potential...if they are going to fix this disparity.

[stormrider]

Concerning the valid targets for certain ammo:

I think it strongly depends on what you want this game to be: a hunting simulator or a somewhat arcady hunting game. I personally think the new integrity system it's a nice feature as the system before (shooting a big animal with a lot of small rounds and still being able to claim a 100% integrity bonus) kind of annoyed me as there seemed to be no need for the bigger guns. It also just seems realistic to me that you would need a bigger bullet in order to kill a moose/bison fast and humanely with a normal shot (which is what the integrity bonus should indicate imo).

[Babalonkie]

Originally posted by stormrider:

Concerning the valid targets for certain ammo:

I think it strongly depends on what you want this game to be: a hunting simulator or a somewhat arcady hunting game. I personally think the new integrity system it's a nice feature as the system before (shooting a big animal with a lot of small rounds and still being able to claim a 100% integrity bonus) kind of annoyed me as there seemed to be no need for the bigger guns. It also just seems realistic to me that you would need a bigger bullet in order to kill a moose/bison fast and humanely with a normal shot (which is what the integrity bonus should indicate imo).

Then penalise the reward... invalid target is BS.

[CaptainNebulous]

Making the hunting more challenging and realistic is the best thing that can happen for this game. Anyone who thinks the game is even a tiny bit challenging right now must be joking. You don't even need to be patient, for the most part. Or even sneak around that much.

I'm happy with the changes, except I think they'll make diamonds easier to get..... and they're already too easy to get.

[Waldherz]

Its not chalanging. Thats why its a game. Making this game a immersive simulator should start with removing the arcade shooter reloads. That you would never perform irl.

[CaptainNebulous]

Originally posted by Waldherz彡:

Its not chalanging. Thats why its a game. Making this game a immersive simulator should start with removing the arcade shooter reloads. That you would never perform irl.

A good game is still challenging. A game that is not challenging is a AFK or tap phone app.

We should not cater to the watering down of the gamer community. It's already ruined most of the FPS industry, racing games, and sports games.