Africa Map, you took the Africa out of Africa.

[Rhom]

The map is lovely, the lighting great. Audio is a bit odd. ie lake shore sounds where there is no lake.

But it desperately need more life.
The in game RP "the poachers got them all" is very weak.

It's pretty obvious you backed off with hunting big game in a big game reserve for ethical reasons. Although I don't see the difference between hunting bear, lynx, moose or whatever. Kids are mowing down pixel police in cars, bludgening woman to death, cutting heads off people all day in games and that's well, that's okay. But shoot a giraffe in a "hunting" game and that's evil, how could you??

If you can't add cats, elephants, rhinos and other things that make you scared of the animal rights brigade then please give us crocs, hippos and monkeys.

I really want to be cacking my pants in Africa and the water buffalo, although statistically blah blah blah is just not cutting the mustard.
A bear looks scary thus I'm scared, the buffalo does not look scary, it's a game see, if it were real I'd probably cack myself if a buffalo ran it me. That's the big issue.

In real life I would never dream of killing these animals, in the same way I would not shoot a person, I won't even go fishing unless I am going to eat the thing.

I really love HUNTING in your HUNTING game, let us hunt please.

[Yskas]

South African here - Regarding Excluding Endagered Species

The problem is, by encouraging it virtually, some Saudi prince or spoiled brat might take daddy's American Express, book into one of the hundreds of 5+ star luxury lodges here in Southern Africa, and rack up $1m in Rhinos, Elephants etc (Happens all the time, some people have quite a bit of money to blow, you'd be surprised.) and post on their facebook wall to share with their buds for vanity, or use the ivory as a remedy as a "cure" for their laughable libido, there are some very rich people in the world who just don't care about preservation, as long as they can afford it.

Sometimes these lodges here are just a daycare center for the ultra rich and powerful.

I think it's great not to include endagered species, there are legit good folks who put their lives on the line every day to stop poachers (It's an extremely dangerous business.) and keep the industry regulated.

[Artist]

Yes. Well said.

[pinwolf]

Originally posted by Rhom:

The map is lovely, the lighting great. Audio is a bit odd. ie lake shore sounds where there is no lake.

But it desperately need more life.
The in game RP "the poachers got them all" is very weak.

It's pretty obvious you backed off with hunting big game in a big game reserve for ethical reasons. Although I don't see the difference between hunting bear, lynx, moose or whatever. Kids are mowing down pixel police in cars, bludgening woman to death, cutting heads off people all day in games and that's well, that's okay. But shoot a giraffe in a "hunting" game and that's evil, how could you??

If you can't add cats, elephants, rhinos and other things that make you scared of the animal rights brigade then please give us crocs, hippos and monkeys.

I really want to be cacking my pants in Africa and the water buffalo, although statistically blah blah blah is just not cutting the mustard.
A bear looks scary thus I'm scared, the buffalo does not look scary, it's a game see, if it were real I'd probably cack myself if a buffalo ran it me. That's the big issue.

In real life I would never dream of killing these animals, in the same way I would not shoot a person, I won't even go fishing unless I am going to eat the thing.

I really love HUNTING in your HUNTING game, let us hunt please.

That's a look at one side of this, here is the look on the other:
-> https://steamcommunity.com/app/518790/discussions/2/1737715419896237451/

[Snail Rancher]

Doesn't have to be a Saudi of course. However, following your logic, some rich "brat" who plays COTW and who is horribly disappointed by a lack of such animals in the DLC, might jump on a plane and go shoot some in real life.

I don't think either scenario is terribly probable, just as I don't think most players of GTA go out and shoot cops, set up meth labs, and steal cars because they do that in a game.

By releasing an Africa map, it created certain expectations in a large percentage (I would even argue a majority) of the existing (and future) customer base, expectations that are not being met. It is the same as buying a race car game with the expection of "driving" highend race cars but the DLC gives you a nice family sedan on the grounds that speeding in real life is illegal. (And yes, I do know of rich "brats" who drive Ferraris at breathtaking speeds on motor ways, all of it illegally, but so what?)

All this does is to irritate the large percentage of customers who DO want this, but are now disappointed, and (as we are seeing in comments here on Steam and on Facebook) are either not buying the DLC or refunding it, or (as in my case) are playing it but thinking about how great it COULD have been and what a massive lost opportunity it turned into.

How does this help anyone? EW gets a reputation of not meeting customer expectations, talking down to them (as Graham regularly does in the streams ["reskins? No, nature is nature" (ignoring that hippos and zebras are not deer-shaped antelope and Africa has more types of animals than just jackals, wild swine, hares, and assorted antelope)]), and catering to the overly-vocal political views of NON-customers (PETA, anti-hunting extremists, etc.) who will NEVER buy the game.

I am sure that hunting Big 5, or at least other types of animals beyond what we got could have been achieved in a sensative and even PC manner (such as with the European Bison), but that did not happen. At all.

But by all means, we have those Scrub Hares for a true African hunting experience.

[Rhom]

So how many kids are turning up with machine guns and rocket launchers after playing FarCry?
If you are worried about stuff like that I can't understand how you play any game involving violence.

[Rhom]

Seriously?

How can that guy justify playing any game that envolves violence. Does he suddenly feel the need to pick up a hammer or knife and go attack people? I very much doubt it.

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[kampfer91]

They don't need to play a game to have a reason to hunt . Most of the time they just want to brag theirs house and what is better than a pair of elephant turk ? Also , people still believe that rhino horn can cure many disease so they pay the poacher to hunt down rhino .

So no , it have nothing to do with video games , in fact , it may sate the hunger to hunt big games .

[:Radithol]

Originally posted by pinwolf:

Originally posted by Rhom:

The map is lovely, the lighting great. Audio is a bit odd. ie lake shore sounds where there is no lake.

But it desperately need more life.
The in game RP "the poachers got them all" is very weak.

It's pretty obvious you backed off with hunting big game in a big game reserve for ethical reasons. Although I don't see the difference between hunting bear, lynx, moose or whatever. Kids are mowing down pixel police in cars, bludgening woman to death, cutting heads off people all day in games and that's well, that's okay. But shoot a giraffe in a "hunting" game and that's evil, how could you??

If you can't add cats, elephants, rhinos and other things that make you scared of the animal rights brigade then please give us crocs, hippos and monkeys.

I really want to be cacking my pants in Africa and the water buffalo, although statistically blah blah blah is just not cutting the mustard.
A bear looks scary thus I'm scared, the buffalo does not look scary, it's a game see, if it were real I'd probably cack myself if a buffalo ran it me. That's the big issue.

In real life I would never dream of killing these animals, in the same way I would not shoot a person, I won't even go fishing unless I am going to eat the thing.

I really love HUNTING in your HUNTING game, let us hunt please.

That's a look at one side of this, here is the look on the other:
-> https://steamcommunity.com/app/518790/discussions/2/1737715419896237451/

That is your counter argument? That is either a troll, or someone very out of touch with reality.

[Supahz]

Originally posted by pinwolf:

That's a look at one side of this, here is the look on the other:
-> https://steamcommunity.com/app/518790/discussions/2/1737715419896237451/

How true! I'm sure the devs were totally worried that some random Saudi prince was going to go all Rambo on a giraffe if they put one in the game, so they nipped that in the bud. I'm also very sure that some random Saudi prince is going to play this game in the first place. I'm also extremely sure that everyone who plays GTA runs out and kills cops and jacks cars all day long.

You know, come to think of it I'm terrified that I'm now going to impulsively buy a plane ticket to Africa and start shooting Springboks until they're extinct. If only they'd left hunting out of the game altogether.

[Marc Remillard]

So much Africa.

[SavageWhiteDude]

Your post is horribly misguided(and likely total BS).

Those rich Saudi Princes that drop millions of dollars on hunting trips are doing so through local guides that follow the law and heavily regulate what can/cannot be killed to ensure a healthy animal population(because that is how they make a living).

And who is paying for those locals that actively go out and fight poachers? The government, that only cares about the animals because they bring in a ton of money, and the local guide services, because they animals make them a ton of money.

If hunting dies in Africa so do these animal populations because there will be no incentive to spend millions of dollars protecting them.

[Silky]

>ethical reasons

Yet we still wipe out a whole herd of European Bison.

[Dust]

As much as I've enjoyed this game immensely, I'd have to agree with the OP; This doesn't at all feel like Africa, without the big game it's famous for.

[Marc Remillard]

Originally posted by Dusty926:

As much as I've enjoyed this game immensely, I'd have to agree with the OP; This doesn't at all feel like Africa, without the big game it's famous for.

And yet adding the big 5 would make it very dangerous for the hunters... I can hear the first complains... "I'm always getting eaten by lions, town to bits by crocs, or trampled by enraged elephants." The DEV's lot in life is a thankless one, everyone is never satisfied.

[Rhom]

Originally posted by Marc Remillard:

Originally posted by Dusty926:

As much as I've enjoyed this game immensely, I'd have to agree with the OP; This doesn't at all feel like Africa, without the big game it's famous for.

And yet adding the big 5 would make it very dangerous for the hunters... I can hear the first complains... "I'm always getting eaten by lions, town to bits by crocs, or trampled by enraged elephants." The DEV's lot in life is a thankless one, everyone is never satisfied.

This is why I feel most of us wanted Africa, the threat of becoming the hunted.