Black Powder Cartridge and Shotshell Ammunition

[Jumbled Hokum]

I think it would be cool if we could get black powder ammunition for the shotguns and for the 357 pistol. I can't see players wanting a black powder shotgun as it would take to long to reload. So what about black powder bird shot, buck shot, and slug shells for the 12, 16, and 20ga guns as you can get a SxS muzzleloader shotgun irl (16 and 20ga ingame have SXS). so we can get the effect of the black powder and not have to sit through a long reload and it wouldn't be any more (after the smoke effect is done) for an animator.

Also what about black powder load for the 357 (38 special IRL can be loaded with BP). Then you can bring up the penetration for the normal ammo we have now to say 15 and make it so its only good for coyote and up. Then make the 357 bp loads the same as we have now so a pen of 12 and good for goose and fox.

Edit I hope this makes sense as i wrote it fast.

Edit 2 I changed the name of the topic to be more to the point.

[Bowfin]

There has been some talk on the Twitch streams about black powder weapons. Muzzle loaders ,we can hope. I like all the weapons released so far but would like to see more from the past.

[Jumbled Hokum]

Originally posted by Bowfin:

There has been some talk on the Twitch streams about black powder weapons. Muzzle loaders ,we can hope. I like all the weapons released so far but would like to see more from the past.

To start Sorry if I didn't make my first post clear enough or if i'm misunderstanding you.

What I meant was for the guns that are in the game to get black powder cartridges (for guns that historically used them) and\or shotshells atleast for the shotguns (birdshot and buckshot).

Some guns that historically used black powder loads are

38 special (357 mag ingame can use them)
45 long colt
45-70 gov
The 12ga, 16ga, and 20ga shotguns

Thats all that i can think of that is in game but i think it would be cool to get the smoke effect of black powder for atleast the shotguns. maybe to be more clear i would like seperate shotshell\cartridges for black powder kind of like how we have 20ga birdshot and steel birdshot.

A few links about what i'm talking about.
For the 38 special (357)
https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/history-38-smith-wesson-special/
https://www.diffen.com/difference/.357_Magnum_vs_.38_Special
https://youtu.be/cGsXXrM649s?t=63

Shotgun links
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwHFn2d3EGE

Edit After watching the shotgun video again I'm thinking that BP shells\cartridges would be good for multiplayer as the smoke would kind of like an arrow pointing to what was shot at.

[Bowfin]

That would be nice to see it COTW, I didn't know that was a thing. I've watched friends fire their weapons in multiplayer and it looks good now ,adding black powder would enhance that effect for sure.

[McSqurl Nugget]

Originally posted by Bowfin:

That would be nice to see it COTW, I didn't know that was a thing. I've watched friends fire their weapons in multiplayer and it looks good now ,adding black powder would enhance that effect for sure.

i'd love to see black powder firearms in the game, real ones so to speak, percussion rifles, and the option of round ball and shaped balls.

I wouldn't want black powder in the guns in game now. You lose roughly 2/3 of the power vs a normal round, and that's with the current black powders today.

[Jumbled Hokum]

Originally posted by McSqurl Nugget:

i'd love to see black powder firearms in the game, real ones so to speak, percussion rifles, and the option of round ball and shaped balls.

my suggestion is more of a black powder gun without as much work (for the moment anyway) as a muzzle loader.
Also there are muzzle loading revolvers so they aren't that much different (cart. guns can be loaded faster that's really it). Yes the revolvers are loaded into the cylinder but the whole process is the same as loading from the muzzle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRcqKPzgHeE

Originally posted by McSqurl Nugget:

I wouldn't want black powder in the guns in game now. You lose roughly 2/3 of the power vs a normal round, and that's with the current black powders today.

I think this got lost from my first post.

Originally posted by Jumbled Hokum:

Then you can bring up the penetration for the normal ammo we have now to say 15 and make it so its only good for coyote and up. Then make the 357 bp loads the same as we have now so a pen of 12 and good for goose and fox.

my idea was that the black powder loads a little less effective but can hunt a lower class of animal with it. My thoughts on animals and blackpowder loads is this

357 with bp 12 pen same damage as now and goose and fox can be hunted
357 now upped penetration to 15 and can only hunt coyote and up
44 need a penetration boost to 18 or 19 since the 357 would be more powerful
12ga, 16ga, and 20ga shot having a damage drop off by half over 30 yards making them close range
Buckshot would be the same as the birdshot with a damage drop off of half after 30 yards

The shotguns seem to be over powered with bird shot as i can kill a bird with one pellet at 50 yards plus while the 22 pistol may get a sub 100 in quick kill at that range.

All of the pistol bullets i list are a reference to the cheaper bullets (hollow points\ high damage) as that is all i use for all guns.
I hope this clarifies things better.

Edit I see that you have posted (i have also) in the weapon pack 4 thread but i will put this here for people that don't know that it's mostly about muzzleloaders.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/518790/discussions/2/1643169167148072712/

[McSqurl Nugget]

yeah i got it, i've been shooting black powder for over 30 years. i own 2 rifles, and share 3 revolves with my father and brother. and have built and restored probably a dozen more.

i still say why? if we do black powder lets really do black powder.

[Jumbled Hokum]

Originally posted by McSqurl Nugget:

yeah i got it, i've been shooting black powder for over 30 years. i own 2 rifles, and share 3 revolves with my father and brother. and have built and restored probably a dozen more.

i still say why? if we do black powder lets really do black powder.

The first idea was for a muzzle loading shotgun. then i got to thinking about the time it takes to reload them as being bit off putting. So the idea of black powder shells came up as a way of getting the effect but a lower reload time. The SXS shotguns would be more close to a real muzzle loading shotgun but people could use them in all shotguns but in semi-autos it wouldn't work irl (most likely not).

A shorter reload and still get a little blinding effect is\was the reason for the idea and more so a shotgun idea but a revolver would be nice also.

They could do a quick loader type thing for the reload of the muzzle loading shotgun or speed up the reload animation. One barrel wouldn't be bad but it's the full reload of a double that may turn into a long wait.

I guess they could split the difference and make a single barrel but it wouldn't be as fun for birds and rabbits since you would only get one shot.Just going to add a picture of a single that they could do. Expansive worlds would most likely make this or something like it as they could do a bunch of skins for it (camo,wood, etc.).
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019053021?pid=973147

[McSqurl Nugget]

Originally posted by Jumbled Hokum:

Originally posted by McSqurl Nugget:

yeah i got it, i've been shooting black powder for over 30 years. i own 2 rifles, and share 3 revolves with my father and brother. and have built and restored probably a dozen more.

i still say why? if we do black powder lets really do black powder.

The first idea was for a muzzle loading shotgun. then i got to thinking about the time it takes to reload them as being bit off putting. So the idea of black powder shells came up as a way of getting the effect but a lower reload time. The SXS shotguns would be more close to a real muzzle loading shotgun but people could use them in all shotguns but in semi-autos it wouldn't work irl (most likely not).

A shorter reload and still get a little blinding effect is\was the reason for the idea and more so a shotgun idea but a revolver would be nice also.

They could do a quick loader type thing for the reload of the muzzle loading shotgun or speed up the reload animation. One barrel wouldn't be bad but it's the full reload of a double that may turn into a long wait.

I guess they could split the difference and make a single barrel but it wouldn't be as fun for birds and rabbits since you would only get one shot.Just going to add a picture of a single that they could do. Expansive worlds would most likely make this or something like it as they could do a bunch of skins for it (camo,wood, etc.).
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019053021?pid=973147

okay i could buy into that, thanks for clarifying more for my slowness :)

[Erebus]

Ngl i want BP shotguns, i have a couple irl and load my own 12g brass black powder shells but id love to see the devs go about adding some. :)

Also the i think the you only have one or two shots really makes each kill special/different :) so i'd be happy with it