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I think people would've been more tolerant of the "diversity" agenda if it didn't try to compromise established IPs as well as common standards people care about. Trying to take over all of society doesn't do them any favors, either.
The industry at large has come to the (erroneous) conclusion that simply filling DEI checkmarks is all it takes to make a good, successful product. It does not. "Diversity" agenda is not, and will never be, a replacement for quality. If you want people to accept your products then you're going to have to do better than political pandering and moral grandstanding. Just because identity politics got you so far doesn't mean everything else in life will come to you in a silver platter. Respect is earned, not given. Don't take people's tolerance and goodwill for granted, either.
In the entertainment industry, people want good writting, relatable characters and fun gameplay (among other things). If the main thing a product has going for it is "identity politics" (which by itself reduces its demographics considerably) then you effectively made something for a niche community. Add to this the possibility of being over-budgeted and it's no wonder you got a major flop in your hands. Logistically speaking, social minorities alone lack the numbers and buying power to turn something that cost dozens, maybe hundreds of dollars, into a financial success.
Social minorities represent only a small fraction of the population. The public media exaggerates their presence and relevance because drama sells and some of these companies have political affiliations of their own. Products meant for niche communities have been around since forever. The problem was giving social minorities more representation than the majority. The 1% that represent the richest people of the world are a minority too. Should the industry ditch "economical" products and start making only Gucci and Bugattis so the wealthiest feel represented?
People have this misconception that the industry cares about them. They don't. The only reason why the industry even acknowledges the "diversity" agenda was because someone (using tax dollars) funded them to do so - so long as the money keeps flowing, they will continue to "care". I sincerely doubt the majority would agree to having their tax money being used to fund something that hates them and seeks to destroy everything they care about.
Most people don't hate "diversity". They hate the toxic individuals and the entity that claims to speak for all of them. They hate the fact most civic movements got co-opted by radicals who use the pretense of "moral superiority" to silence all who oppose them, and remake all of society in their vision. The only "diversity" they care about is their own (or whichever serves their own interests...), and no one elses'.
Look at AC shadows, look and the Silent Hill 2 remake. They will maybe even sell not too bad but they will underperform. Look at the dumpserfire that is Rings of Power, and a ton of other media pieces for the "mondern audience" that doesnt really exist.
Just today i saw a video that they might shut down the justice league studio. Well good riddance.
I couldn't care less for this whole thing just burn down to the ground, they barely do any good stuff and the good stuff comes from people that stay true to their values. Like Fromsoftware, or Capcom. Or small indie devs.
I've heard Witcher 4 will be trash too. I was hoping for a new witcher game tbh, but if they bend the knee to sweet baby or anyone else they can keep their trash.
Resi 4 was great and felt no need to make the women in the game look like train wrecks to pander to anyone.
Look at Stellar Blade that showed all this DEI nonsense the middlefinger and it worked well for them.
We are past this "oh you cant like this stuff, you need to consume this and that" ... no, no i dont think i will.
I rather play old games, even replay retro games than touch stuff like this modern audience crap with a 10 feet pole. I rather wait for it to burn to the ground and rise again, i can wait. The people that get paid for this work can't.
Just think of the ubisoft quote. "you need to get used to not own our games" ... works fine for me, i'm just not buying them anymore and neither should you.
The studio for this game is located in Stockholm. According to the press release, the layoffs did not impact Stockholm.
Dev work on this game, such as it is, will likely continue.
What a load of crap, DEI and the Woke mind virus is destroying everything it touches. Forcing a persons/groups ideologies and beliefs on others is what creates a toxic work environment. DEI is racist at it's core because it is all based on skin color, so I don't see how that is non toxic.
Any game studio that joins Sweet Baby Inc or any other radical loser organisation, will not see any of my money.
True. I mean just look at them forcing "representation". I'm a caucasian male. I dont want or need any representation when playing games. I can play as Bayek in AC Origins as much as i can play as Jin in GoT and i loved it.
If you feel the need of "playing as someone that looks like yourself", just like the sweet baby CEO said, there is something deeply wrong with you. At least when we talk abou forcing it into games where it does not fit. Like "POC" in kindome come deliverance or nonsense like that.
If you are forcing yourself into other cultures, maybe it's you, that is having problems accepting others.
If I wanted to see a fat, pasty white asthmatic with glasses and way to much facial hair, I'd go look in my bathroom mirror lol.
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Agree, the thing is that You CAN make good quality stuff with DEI/Woke in mind!
Good quality takes effort, woke or not.
The problem was giving social minorities more representation than the majority.
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Why is this a problem?
Look at Hades 2, pretty woke and people love it!
The 1% that represent the richest people of the world are a minority too. Should the industry ditch "economical" products and start making only Gucci and Bugattis so the wealthiest feel represented?
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Equivalence Fallacy
Most people don't hate "diversity". They hate the toxic individuals and the entity that claims to speak for all of them. They hate the fact most civic movements got co-opted by radicals who use the pretense of "moral superiority" to silence all who oppose them, and remake all of society in their vision. The only "diversity" they care about is their own (or whichever serves their own interests...), and no one elses'.
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Guess what? Wokeism hates this too!
Look at AC shadows [...]
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Look at Hades 2
Look at BG3
Look at Stardew Valley
Look at Life is Strange
Look at Bugsnax
Look at the Persona series
Look at Paper Mario:The thousand year door
Look at, look at, look at, aint a good argument
What a load of crap, DEI and the Woke mind virus is destroying everything it touches. Forcing a persons/groups ideologies and beliefs on others is what creates a toxic work environment. DEI is racist at it's core because it is all based on skin color, so I don't see how that is non toxic.
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Claiming DEI is racist because they care about POC people is like saying Anti-Woke is not racist
Totally wrong
We are not forcing relijions on eachother, we simply are telling you to respect pronouns and sexuallities.
What? Are you too dumb to understand those?
I'm a caucasian male. I dont want or need any representation when playing games.
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OH! I WONDER WHY /s
If you feel the need of "playing as someone that looks like yourself", just like the sweet baby CEO said, there is something deeply wrong with you.
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Ever heard of RPGames? Where you can make yourself/another character and play as them?
Wild, right? Why would anyone want to play as a woman while they themselves are not?
Why would someone want to play as a dwarf, while they themselves are not?
Hmmmmmmm
If you are forcing yourself into other cultures, maybe it's you, that is having problems accepting others.
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"Look at the tolerant left not tolerating racism and misoginy"
As a Japanese American man I'm gonna echo this. I don't understand the need to play as someone who looks like themselves.
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Skill Issue
Many people do and many people like to play as other people just as varied and diverse as them
Oh, wait, the Doctor is a black woman! Guess you'll have to keep being stupid, then
The AC games were divers. They showed different culture as authentic as possible. That made these games great.
And talk about repräsentation. Do japanese people have no right to
play the main role in a game about samurai. That's just not right. These people want respect but they dont respect others.
It's forced diversity that is bad. Like cleopatra was black and stuff like that. But if you braid your hair as white person you somehow steal someones culture.
Sry. It's hard to take peole like this serious.
Making a nordic god black is also stupid. Why not make a story with african gods?
It just makes no sense.
Also what is it with all these ugly women in games? Is that no insult to women. They dont look like that on avarage. The face models dont even look like that. They make them ugly by design. Whats that about. What has it to do with respect?
Also i wont read a wall of text when people are not able to use the quote function propperly.
Im curious, who made a nordic god black?
Also, its dreads the hairstyle who is not "white"
BUT that is because black people hair is way curlier and way more different than straight, less curvy and wavy hair
Black people have dreadlocks naturally. They wash their hair and take care of it. However, non black people's hair can only dreadlock when it is matted and dirty, for what I understand anyways.
I dont think representation is forced nowadays. (please show me the black Thor or whatever other god is pleasepleasepleas im genuinly curious)
But people like it because for the majority of time, they cant see someone like themselves anywhere.
Every single movie, series or game revolved around your typical white cis het man. And so, many people felt left out. No wonder they are pushing for a change
I think they are referring to Angrboda from God of War. She's a Jotunn (mythological race of giants from nordic culture) and they made her a black woman. By extension, it's not canon or accurate to convert most of the greek pantheon in Hades into "diversity" characters either, but that game gets a pass because the gameplay is fun and the characters are interesting. As I stated before, people can be more forgiving of DEI stuff if the product is good.
To be fair, I feel like most movies and games in the last few years have been quite mediocre, regardless of who their target audience is. However, diversity titles will get extra flack because they target a demographic most of society doesn't relate to, and quite honestly, is tired of political pandering. If a product is already bad, changing or adding something that comes with negative connotations is not going to help.
People don't like seeing established IPs getting retrofitted or rebranded with DEI stuff. If the society you live in is primarily composed of hetero white people, then it's a no brainer most of the industry will make products relevant to that demographic. Capitalism seeks profit and it's not going to get it by pandering to social minorities unless someone else foots the bill, or the product manages to to surpass all expectations.
You don't have to like the canon lore and characters of established IPs but neither should you try to take it away from it's target audience. The whole "let's co-opt everything so we can remake it all in our vision" is a big red flag. Make your own content and stop trying to take away or destroy what other people love. There's plenty of untold stories, myths and pop culture around the globe for you to explore.
And there were people that said kindom come deliverance need diversity. It's a game that wants to be as accurate as possible. There were no black peolple back then in bohemia.
Repräsentation is not forced? On what planet are you living?
Picking the only black person in japan to be the main character in AC shadows is no forced representation to you?
Sry you are either a troll or you lost contact with reality. Either of these two.
You're telling me that I'm too stupid to respect other people? You are the one who specifically entered this discussion thread expressly deriding my point of view and who seems completely incapable of understanding and respecting other people's opinions My advice would be to actually practice what you preach and stop being a hypocrite.
Also, you appear to have completely missed my point about playing someone similar to yourself in a video game. I have no problem with character diversity, I just don't understand why someone would basically commit themselves to a redundant experience. I already know what my life is like, and my imagination is fairly capable of giving me a good idea of what it would be like to exist in certain fictional scenarios. What I want to know is how people other than myself would react to and live with certain scenarios, so I tend to play game characters different from myself out of interest.
That's not to say people who basically self-insert in video games are doing anything wrong, I just don't personally get the appeal.
Is there something inherently wrong with wanting to explore other perspectives than my own? You certainly seem to act like there is...
P.S. It would be looked at not looked up. The latter may apply to a search engine, but the former is used for the medical context.
If you're going to belittle me, at least use the right words.