Why not add new bows?

[Rainy]

I do understand there might not be a huge bow's variety, surely not as rifles's variety, but I would like to see more bows with some good sights. I think bow hunting offers you a way more stealth and hard challenge, you cannot simply spot an animal from 300 metres and shoot it

[Andaramir]

There is a new recurve bow in the last dlc "ambusher pack".

[Rainy]

Originally posted by Andaramir:

There is a new recurve bow in the last dlc "ambusher pack".

It's ok, nothing too fancy to be honest

[elawrence]

Yes, it's a nice pseudo Galaxy Sage. You can use the 1-pin, 3-pin and 5-pin sights on it, along with the electronic range finder sight if you've purchased that DLC.

Unfortunately, using compound bow sights on a 50lbs take-down recurve makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and does not work IRL (or does not work well), which totally breaks immersion as far as I'm concerned.

I love EW, but these guys are clearly not very knowledgeable about archery. The addition of the asian-style recurve, and the Alexander longbow were odd choices as well, as opposed to offering either a standard one-piece recurve (maybe a mock Bear Grizzly) or a standard American longbow with a shelf. The Alexander is just... weird. It's akin to a shelf-less selfbow I suppose? Odd choice. And those strings. Jeez. They look like they're made out of 1/4 in paracord.

Anyway. Yes, we need more bows. And EW needs to hire someone with a bit more experience in that area...

[Andaramir]

Originally posted by elawrence:

Yes, it's a nice pseudo Galaxy Sage. You can use the 1-pin, 3-pin and 5-pin sights on it, along with the electronic range finder sight if you've purchased that DLC.

Unfortunately, using compound bow sights on a 50lbs take-down recurve makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and does not work IRL (or does not work well), which totally breaks immersion as far as I'm concerned.

I love EW, but these guys are clearly not very knowledgeable about archery. The addition of the asian-style recurve, and the Alexander longbow were odd choices as well, as opposed to offering either a standard one-piece recurve (maybe a mock Bear Grizzly) or a standard American longbow with a shelf. The Alexander is just... weird. It's akin to a shelf-less selfbow I suppose? Odd choice. And those strings. Jeez. They look like they're made out of 1/4 in paracord.

Anyway. Yes, we need more bows. And EW needs to hire someone with a bit more experience in that area...

I totally do agree. I didnt unstand why they decided to add theese exotic bows.

I dont use a sight on the stenberg, because I dont use one on my recurve irl. Well even if I want to, I wouldnt be able to, unless I drill some holes.

[elawrence]

IRL I tend to shoot a mix of instinctive at short distances with gap shooting at longer distances. Unfortunately I find that for me, this type of approach is hard to replicate in-game.

I can get ok results with the Alexander at the 20m range or less (which is fine, this would be an achievable distance in the real world), but boy do I ever hate the arrows we're stuck with for that bow. For one thing, the triple-blade broad-head for the 540 grain arrow is just ugly to look at compared to the arrows for the compound. But more importantly, it's a pain in the ass to figure out a good aiming "system" going from the 2 blade light 300 grain, to the 3 blade medium 540, and then back to the 2 blade but much heavier 600 grain arrow. Annoying. The corded hand-wrap on the bow can help with coming up with references points, but the cant of the bow when drawn makes things more challenging when trying to do that.

Also, while I do not hunt with a bow myself, I'm not aware of anyone actually changing arrow weight based on the prey specie. Arrow weight is heavily dependant on the shaft spine, desired length due to archer draw length, weight of the points/broad-heads, etc. If anything, you hunt with a lighter bow for small game (with matching arrows and points) and then go to a heavier poundage bow for bigger game, again with arrows that match that bow.

Again, this odd system demonstrates EW's general lack of archery knowledge. It's as if they went out of their way to mimic some sort of 'caliber' system for the bow hunting, but it's just not how things actually work.

For the sake of fun, simplicity, and even realism, EW should seriously consider revising that arrow system. In a dream-world, we'd get to choose the shafts, broad-heads, and fletching pattern/colors. In so far as keeping an arrow "selection" system based on animal class, I'd opt for having one weight of arrows, and then having judo points for small game and hypodermic/double/triple blade broad-heads for anything bigger.

If I'm wrong about this (changing arrow weight based on the target animal), I'd love for a RL bow hunter to set me straight...

[elawrence]

Not that anyone necessarily cares, but I wanted to auto-correct before somebody does it for me: did a bit more research, and it does appear as though a 3-pin sight is quite viable for Sage-like recurve. My initial look through reddit seemed to indicate this was not the case. And while I do own several bows, I don't actually have one right now with the necessary bushings for a sight... So happy to have been wrong. What I'm still not sure about is how a 3 pin works without having a peep in the bowstring (since we tend to not have those on a recurve). I have seen a video of an archer using a secondary piece of optics (forget the exact name) installed further back on the side-quiver, filling the role of a peep. I suppose the string sight-picture alignment technique would work with a 3 pin in the same way that it works for a standard T style sight, and that you just need to live with more variance in the elevation plane when aiming. Anyway, just felt like I had to come back and amend my earlier statement. Ok, I feel better now. :-)

[Andaramir]

Originally posted by elawrence:

Not that anyone necessarily cares, but I wanted to auto-correct before somebody does it for me: did a bit more research, and it does appear as though a 3-pin sight is quite viable for Sage-like recurve. My initial look through reddit seemed to indicate this was not the case. And while I do own several bows, I don't actually have one right now with the necessary bushings for a sight... So happy to have been wrong. What I'm still not sure about is how a 3 pin works without having a peep in the bowstring (since we tend to not have those on a recurve). I have seen a video of an archer using a secondary piece of optics (forget the exact name) installed further back on the side-quiver, filling the role of a peep. I suppose the string sight-picture alignment technique would work with a 3 pin in the same way that it works for a standard T style sight, and that you just need to live with more variance in the elevation plane when aiming. Anyway, just felt like I had to come back and amend my earlier statement. Ok, I feel better now. :-)

Well I know you can mount compound sights on recurves (depending on the riser). But I never saw someone using one on a recurve yet. But in my country it is not allowed to bowhunt, maybe it is more common when hunting.

[elawrence]

A few minutes after writing my other post, I found an older nu_sensei video on youtube where he explains that the 3 pin (or 5 pin) sight we're referring to is not actually called a compound sight (as I thought myself a few days ago). It is, in fact, just a hunting sight, designed for use on either a recurve or compound. It is apparently perfectly normal to use one on a recurve when hunting... As nu-sensei explains, the confusion seem to stem from the fact that most bow hunters use compound bows, so we tend to associate the 3/5 pin sights with compounds.

You can check out the nu_sensei vid here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0mgZ7OIhfM

So back to our game... My only issue now would be the range at which the pins are set. With the 420 grain, it's 1st pin = 5m or less, 2nd pin = 40m and 3rd = 80m. It would be much more realistic to do 5, 10 and 20. Or something along those lines.

Another neat video from Take it Outside with a Sage set up with a 3-pin and an aperture (at the 7 min mark in the vid), set up for 10-20-30. The guy makes some really nice shots using it in the end. Seems to work really nice! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5Tq1-LcWW0

[Komie]

We are moving to advanced weapons. Not bows and arrows. Go play archery.

[Rainy]

Originally posted by Dover:

We are moving to advanced weapons. Not bows and arrows. Go play archery.

I am confused, people still bow hunt even in real life

[elawrence]

More and more hunters now choose to extend their hunting season via bow hunting. The reduction of the size of land lots/parcels due to splitting and selling off also causes more people to bow hunt because of increasing restrictions for the use of firearms in certain areas. There are several other reasons why people choose to bow hunt https://www.kabyswildernessvacations.ca/the-advantages-to-bow-hunting/
The total numbers of bow hunters in the US is also fairly big https://www.statista.com/statistics/763819/bow-hunting-participants-us/

I'm not trying to convert anyone or make any sort of "one is better than the other" argument. I enjoy archery AND shooting rifles myself...