Hunting pressure, and zones?

[ToastedRipper]

So I realize hunting pressure works as in to eliminate hunting pressure areas you need to make more elsewhere. So when grinding at the start of the game.... I have a few tents, and tripods. The problem is these areas quickly fill with hunting pressure, and in order to keep those zones from moving somewhere else I need to hunt somewhere else.... How the heck, am I supposed to grind these zones if they fill with pressure, but I have no money to grind multiple zones? Also how many kills in one zone before that zone gets screwed?

[Psyringe]

You don't need money to create hunting pressure elsewhere. Just go to a lake and shoot animals while they are drinking. Or roam around a little, discover other need zones, wait for the animals to show up at their allotted time, and kill them there.

Regarding the "how many kills" question: Three kills in the same area are always safe. If you don't hunt from a stand, tripod, or with a bow or crossbow, then the fourth overlapping kill will delete need zones. Kills with a bow count as 1/4 of a regular kill. Kills from a hunting stand or tripod also count as 1/4 of a regular kill. These factors are multiplicative, so kills with a bow from a tripod count as 1/16 of a regular kill.

[Mo0on]

Its still beneficial to check the hunting pressure zones because sometimes the animals just don't care. Bird species that land in water don't care about hunting pressure either. This is why mallard hunting in Layton with the decoys setup is one of the best early game money grinds.

Because you can just sit by the water calling them in and they repeatedly land without a care for hunting pressure.

[ToastedRipper]

So I found a lake with atleast 3 zones for multiple animals at varying time, and when I respawn at the time of lets say deer drinking.... only 3 females ever show up. I've respawned atleast three times, and my tent is about 275m away from all zones. What am I doing wrong?

[Mo0on]

Originally posted by ToastedRipper:

So I found a lake with atleast 3 zones for multiple animals at varying time, and when I respawn at the time of lets say deer drinking.... only 3 females ever show up. I've respawned atleast three times, and my tent is about 175m away from all zones. What am I doing wrong?

You've killed all the males attached to that need zone and they need a day or two in order to respawn. And they might not respawn as males. Go hunt somewhere else for a day or two or wait at an outpost.

By the way this is also how you target hunt diamonds. You kill all the high level animals in your map. So only low levels remain. This gives a higher chance for high level animals to spawn in. Wait at an outpost for a bit then hop from lake to lake and look for a big one.

[ToastedRipper]

Originally posted by Mo0on:

Originally posted by ToastedRipper:

So I found a lake with atleast 3 zones for multiple animals at varying time, and when I respawn at the time of lets say deer drinking.... only 3 females ever show up. I've respawned atleast three times, and my tent is about 175m away from all zones. What am I doing wrong?

You've killed all the males attached to that need zone and they need a day or two in order to respawn. And they might not respawn as males. Go hunt somewhere else for a day or two or wait at an outpost.

By the way this is also how you target hunt diamonds. You kill all the high level animals in your map. So only low levels remain. This gives a higher chance for high level animals to spawn in. Wait at an outpost for a bit then hop from lake to lake and look for a big one.

This is what I'm trying to do. Never even hunted the lake yet so how are they gone?

[Mo0on]

Originally posted by ToastedRipper:

Originally posted by Mo0on:

You've killed all the males attached to that need zone and they need a day or two in order to respawn. And they might not respawn as males. Go hunt somewhere else for a day or two or wait at an outpost.

By the way this is also how you target hunt diamonds. You kill all the high level animals in your map. So only low levels remain. This gives a higher chance for high level animals to spawn in. Wait at an outpost for a bit then hop from lake to lake and look for a big one.

This is what I'm trying to do. Never even hunted the lake yet so how are they gone?

Its also possible the zone just doesn't have any males and its only a 3 animal sized zone. So killing one of the females might allow a male to spawn there. Honestly though if its only a 3 sized zone, I'd kill them all and delete the zone so a bigger one can spawn somewhere else.

Female only zones happen with moose all the time.

Or you killed the males from that group while they were travelling somewhere else on the map and you didn't notice its the same group.

[ToastedRipper]

Originally posted by Mo0on:

Originally posted by ToastedRipper:

This is what I'm trying to do. Never even hunted the lake yet so how are they gone?

Its also possible the zone just doesn't have any males and its only a 3 animal sized zone. So killing one of the females might allow a male to spawn there. Honestly though if its only a 3 sized zone, I'd kill them all and delete the zone so a bigger one can spawn somewhere else.

Female only zones happen with moose all the time.

Or you killed the males from that group while they were travelling somewhere else on the map and you didn't notice its the same group.

Ya... I think clear it is best. Thanks.... But I am doing it right? ie. tents, tripod, spawn, kill, repeat?

[Mo0on]

That is one of the most efficient ways to do it, yes.

I wouldn't say there is a "right" way. Lots of players don't like hunting by the water. They play inefficiently for fun.

[ToastedRipper]

Originally posted by Mo0on:

That is one of the most efficient ways to do it, yes.

I wouldn't say there is a "right" way. Lots of players don't like hunting by the water. They play inefficiently for fun.

I do definitely enjoying that playstyle far more, but I want dimonds, and rares.

[Mo0on]

Yeah, some of the fur types are so rare the only way to reasonably find them is water hunting by lakes, otherwise you're looking at hundreds maybe thousands of hours to find these rare ones. Same with finding great ones. Even youtube players like Flinter that have loads of hours AND water hunt still don't have everything.

Some missions also have free diamonds, like Mr black the bear in Layton who now hangs out in my Layton lodge. There is another on Layton for a Diamond coyote too.

One of the hardest things to do in the game is find a great one NOT by the water, and bow hunt it for perfect trophy score. True skill.

[ToastedRipper]

Originally posted by Mo0on:

Yeah, some of the fur types are so rare the only way to reasonably find them is water hunting by lakes, otherwise you're looking at hundreds maybe thousands of hours to find these rare ones. Same with finding great ones. Even youtube players like Flinter that have loads of hours AND water hunt still don't have everything.

Some missions also have free diamonds, like Mr black the bear in Layton who now hangs out in my Layton lodge. There is another on Layton for a Diamond coyote too.

One of the hardest things to do in the game is find a great one NOT by the water, and bow hunt it for perfect trophy score. True skill.

Hmmm well I dunno what I'm doing wrong... Everytime I rest to the drink times nothing is ever there except 1 or 2 female animals. I've tried at least 4 different places with zones. Nothing is ever there. I must be doing something wrong!

[Mo0on]

Some people have success literally quitting to desktop and reloading the game to reset some spawns when all else fails although I'm not sure how all that works.

Some say if you play in a different reserve for a in-game day or two things respawn although I haven't really seen that, its inconsistent 50/50.

Could try fast travelling to a couple different outposts then try again. Sometimes this "moves" animals around and fixes them getting stuck.

The few things that could be happening is:

You've killed all the males that haven't respawned yet.
There are no males in those groups, period.
The males don't arrive at the same time as the females. (Rare, usually moose)
The hunting pressure is keeping the animals away but then you seeing females only doesn't make sense with this.

Whenever I experience a drought of animals I usually switch reserves or go to a completely different zone in the map and leave the previous one alone for awhile. Also if you're targeting whitetail for instance try to hunt something else for awhile.

The point I'm trying to get across is none of us have any idea how any of this works and its why its good after hundreds of hours, lol. We have different techniques that work sometimes and not others and the animal spawning isn't broken down into a science yet.

The best we know, is if your map has a lot of low level animals higher level animals will start to spawn in. Everything else is a maybe.

[ToastedRipper]

Originally posted by Mo0on:

Some people have success literally quitting to desktop and reloading the game to reset some spawns when all else fails although I'm not sure how all that works.

Some say if you play in a different reserve for a in-game day or two things respawn although I haven't really seen that, its inconsistent 50/50.

Could try fast travelling to a couple different outposts then try again. Sometimes this "moves" animals around.

The few things that could be happening is:

You've killed all the males that haven't respawned yet.
There are no males in those groups, period.
The males don't arrive at the same time as the females. (Rare, usually moose)
The hunting pressure is keeping the animals away but then you seeing females only doesn't make sense with this.

Whenever I experience a drought of animals I usually switch reserves or go to a completely different zone in the map and leave the previous one alone for awhile.

That's just it.... its for all species. I respawn at the appropriate drinking times for each, and even though these are zones for moose, deer, coyote, and bear nothing more than one or two of each species shows up. tried at least four places with the same results.

[Mo0on]

Coyote are usually solo or in very small groups so that makes sense. Bears are 99% of the time solo.

Moose are weird, I've seen 3-4 females coming out of a forest to a drink zone. Then about half an hour in-game later, 2 males come out of the same area and join the group. They all leave at the same time. Moose can also be solo.

Deer and Elk are the best for me, as they are usually in massive groups of 6+. I can kill 2-3 high level whitetail and leave the group for a day or two and come back later when new ones spawn in.

Veteran players have long stated the more need zones you find the more populated your map is. But I have my doubts. We do know that if you "spot" an animal with your binos and highlight it, that animal is permanent until you kill it or a game update resets the maps.

The best I can say is try a completely different spot of rivers or switch reserves for a bit.

[ToastedRipper]

Originally posted by Mo0on:

Coyote are usually solo or in very small groups so that makes sense. Bears are 99% of the time solo.

Moose are weird, I've seen 3-4 females coming out of a forest to a drink zone. Then about half an hour in-game later, 2 males come out of the same area and join the group. They all leave at the same time.

Deer and Elk are the best for me, as they are usually in massive groups of 6+. I can kill 2-3 high level whitetail and leave the group for a day or two and come back later when new ones spawn in.

Veteran players have long stated the more need zones you find the more populated your map is. But I have my doubts. We do know that if you "spot" an animal with your binos and highlight it, that animal is permanent until you kill it or a game update resets the maps.

The best I can say is try a completely different spot of rivers or switch reserves for a bit.

Hmmm... need zone amount sounds logical for my situation although silly as a requirement. Any idea on amounts needed? Also what's weird is if I wait until the drinking time about 15 to 20 show up every time. When I rest to the proper time though nothing shows up.